Re: 2.4.7 Focus Visible

>> I don't dispute that. But I dispute that we should make a
>> one-size-fits-all recommendation that all sites must therefore always
>> show focus indiscriminately

This is exactly what advisories are for, Patrick. - as the current advisory
states

*"Although not required for conformance, the following additional
techniques should be considered in order to make content more accessible.
Not all techniques can be used or would be effective in all situations."*

It seems to me, however, that most visually impaired users always do want
focus on click, so I really don't buy the nuance argument here.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 7:47 PM Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
wrote:

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> On 10/07/2023 19:40, Michael Livesey wrote:
> >  > Do you seriously think they do it because of an advisory technique in
> >  > WCAG? And not because, you know, they decided to do that already for
> >  > aesthetic reasons? Ok...
> >
> > Yes, Patrick. I don't know about your development team, but we always
> > check the advisories. That's why they are there.
>
> Good for you. I suspect though that sites have been using mouse hover
> styles before there was an advisory technique buried deep in the
> recesses of WCAG non-normative documents...
>
> > But again, we have got lost in this discussion, and you still fail to
> > address the basic point but rather tangle us in strawman arguments. The
> > basic point is that focus on click, as far as my research has show, is
> > the desired UX for visually impaired users.
>
> I don't dispute that. But I dispute that we should make a
> one-size-fits-all recommendation that all sites must therefore always
> show focus indiscriminately, rather than using techniques that provide
> nuance and user agency on this (coupled with browser/user agents
> providing settings for users to make more explicit choices - for
> instance, Chrome already includes a setting that forces a focus
> indicator to flash regardless of mouse/keyboard/whatever, so similar
> settings in other browsers should be lobbied for).
>
> Also, strawmen or not...I'm not stopping you from proposing an advisory
> technique. PRs welcome, as they say...
>
> P
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