Re: Placeholder attribute an accessible name?

Hey Patrick,

I bring up SC 3.3.2 Labels or Instructions in this thread about
placeholders just as I did 4 years ago on the Accessibility Guidelines
Working Group.  It was a side note that I made 4 years ago that led to the
adoption of the note about placeholders not satisfying SC 3.3.2.  I'm sure
my contribution at the time was minimized by some as "off-topic" or
"orthogonal."  It wasn't then and it isn't now.

I'll let others judge for themselves if there's value in perusing the
previous discussion if they'd like to read the working group's email thread
on placeholders, accessible names and the placeholder attribute as a
sufficient label
<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2018JulSep/0219.html>.

Brooks Newton

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 12:29 PM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
wrote:

> I can speak   for no one's accommodation needs but my own.
> Still, in the one place where I find placeholders regularly, their
> presence is most helpful.
> i work in a low to medium graphics environment, with browsers
> incorporating
> a  solid search feature.
> Yelp is the site where I most often find an alt tag spoken as
> "this is a placeholder."
> And, at least for my environment, it lands just before important links or
> data.
> So I can, more often than not, search for the word "placeholder," in my
> browsers reaching the screen area i desire.
> My browsers provide numbers  for links and things, adding to the
> advantage, because finding the placeholder lets me find the number content
> and moving forward.
> That is me however,
> Karen
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
>
> > On 20/10/2022 15:32, Brooks Newton wrote:
> >>  I'd fail a placeholder that disappears on focus or on input every time
> >>  under SC 3.3.2 Labels or Instructions (A).  To pass this Success
> >>  Criterion, "Labels or instructions are provided when content requires
> user
> >>  input."
> >>
> >>  Notice the rule doesn't say "labels or instructions are provided,
> except
> >>  that they are allowed to disappear from the screen when users need them
> >>  the most - when they're filling out a form input."
> >>
> >>  To me, that's pretty straightforward.
> >
> > Sure, but the question was about accessible name (i.e. 4.1.2 Name, Role,
> > Value)
> >
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