- From: Laura Carlson <lcarlson@d.umn.edu>
- Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:23:48 -0500
- To: Guy Hickling <guy.hickling@gmail.com>
- Cc: WAI Interest Group discussion list <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Well said Guy! Something for folks to be aware of are the only exceptions presented in WCAG 1.1.1. are * Controls, Input * Time-Based Media * Test * Sensory * Decoration, Formatting, Invisible And "Decoration, Formatting, Invisible" reads "If non-text content is pure decoration, is used only for visual formatting, or is not presented to users, then it is implemented in a way that it can be ignored by assistive technology." https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#non-text-content "Pure decoration" is defined as "serving only an aesthetic purpose, providing no information, and having no functionality". https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#dfn-pure-decoration Kind Regards, Laura On 8/23/22, Guy Hickling <guy.hickling@gmail.com> wrote: >> My view is that the author’s view should prevail. If the author says the > image is decorative, then that’s what it is. > > But in many cases (maybe most cases), we cannot know what an author's > intention was when they display some content. All outsiders (i.e. anyone > not the author) have to work on is the content itself, and the rest of the > surrounding web page as the context. They cannot know the author didn't > intend them to take in any information they contain. Accessibility testers, > likewise, can't second-guess the mind of the author, as to whether they > left the alt text blank because, like too many developers, they don't > understand (or care?) about screen reader users, or because they genuinely > considered it decorative. > > In cases of doubt I believe the user, not the author, is the one who should > decide if an image provides useful information for them. Some images that > many of us (including the original developer) might dismiss as decorative, > other sighted users may nevertheless find they provide interesting context. > Sighted users can make that decision for themselves. > > Blind people should have the same right to decide too - but when we put an > empty alt attribute on something, we take away that right to decide from > them because they will no longer be told an image even exists! So we need > to be quite sure that something really does not provide any information, > i.e. is truly just decorative, before we decide to take away that right. I > believe that when SC1.1.1 says "the equivalent purpose", it means the > purpose of the image as it actually appears on the page, not any nebulous > guess at what the author might have intended. So the Understanding document > describes the intention of this SC as "The intent of this Success Criterion > is to make information conveyed by non-text content accessible through the > use of a text alternative." - no reference to the author, only to the > actual content as it appears on the page. > > In the case of headshots, a lot of people can obtain a lot of useful > information from these - how old they are, what gender, what ethic > background, and so on. Even if we don't find it easy to include all that in > the alt text, blind people can ask a friend what the person in the photo > looks like. But if we don't tell them an image is there, they can't. > > I recently audited a university website. Many hero images on various pages > show some really beautifully designed buildings, but because they are hero > images they were all given empty alt texts. There was, in fact, not a > single screen reader announcement, anywhere, of what the buildings looked > like, although sighted people got to see them all! So I recommended that, > in a few of the images showing the best views, they should add good alt > text descriptions, even though not particularly relevant to the adjacent > text, just so blind people could be given some idea of what these buildings > looked like. The buildings may not have been relevant to adjacent text, but > they are certainly relevant to anyone interested in the website and the > university as a whole. -- Laura L. Carlson
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