RE: Good accessibility practice for handling footnotes

Hi,

 

I suggest you follow the guidance in the DAISY Knowledge Base at:

http://kb.daisy.org/publishing/docs/html/notes.html

 

I think example 4 is the one you are suggesting.

 

I was explaining about some of the issues with extended descriptions. We need to encode things properly, even if the AT is misbehaving. We do report these issues to the various AT vendors when we encounter a problem. We do this at epubtest.org.

 

I would think that if you have multiple back links at the end of a section, the language on where it is going would be unique. For example, back to note reference 6.

 

Best

George

 

From: Jordan Rogers <jordan.rogers@ioppublishing.org> 
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Subject: Re: Good accessibility practice for handling footnotes

 

Hi George,

 

Thank you for your response. I’m going to admit I’m a little confused by your feedback. Are you suggesting that it is not recommended to provide links when working with multiple footnotes at the end of the document? Would I be better off following the “Example 2 – Grouped notes at the end of a section/work” and not include any in-page links from body references to footnotes and vice versa? 

 

Many thanks

 

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From: "kerscher@montana.com <mailto:kerscher@montana.com> " <kerscher@montana.com <mailto:kerscher@montana.com> >
Date: Wednesday, 4 August 2021 at 15:59
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Subject: RE: Good accessibility practice for handling footnotes

 

Hello,

 

In our testing of EPUB reading systems, we find that many times deep linking does not always take you to the  the desired location, e.g. you get to the top of the page and not to the exact location that is referenced. For this reason, we recommend that extended descriptions should be placed in a separate file. You then always get to the extended description. The backlink to where you left off may still be a problem. We have observed this same behavior with various browsers and assistive technologies.

 

Best

George

 

 

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Subject: Re: Good accessibility practice for handling footnotes

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I have been keeping track of this email thread as I am currently investigating how to make the ‘References’ section on the digital publishing platform that I work on more accessible. The references are all grouped together at the end of each paper, and each individual reference has a backlink to the reference in the body of the article. I am struggling to figure out how to properly code a group of endnotes that each have a backlink. I have been drafting out the markup for endnotes in a Codepen <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcodepen.io%2Fjrog%2Fpen%2FgOWdMab&data=04%7C01%7Cjordan.rogers%40ioppublishing.org%7Cd347782572e241df770008d95757cd34%7Cf9ee42e6bad04e639115f704f9ccceed%7C0%7C0%7C637636859410245126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=KMPvYd364H%2BYlQIpFtiopeLz3FVShcqoMmqefZqCwYg%3D&reserved=0> . 

 

In Example 5 on the notes page <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkb.daisy.org%2Fpublishing%2Fdocs%2Fhtml%2Fnotes.html&data=04%7C01%7Cjordan.rogers%40ioppublishing.org%7Cd347782572e241df770008d95757cd34%7Cf9ee42e6bad04e639115f704f9ccceed%7C0%7C0%7C637636859410245126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=oObOcdyo7CXiYzXdq7F4QTpXgRAuLki%2F%2B9ei4esnYTI%3D&reserved=0> , it is recommended to include a backlink after the endnote, but this is an example of a single endnote. Is it expected to follow this setup for multiple endnotes, because I thought it was bad practice to have multiple links with the same link text, which went to different locations?

 

For more context, here is a live example of a paper with references <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fiopscience.iop.org%2Farticle%2F10.1088%2F1367-2630%2Fac10a6&data=04%7C01%7Cjordan.rogers%40ioppublishing.org%7Cd347782572e241df770008d95757cd34%7Cf9ee42e6bad04e639115f704f9ccceed%7C0%7C0%7C637636859410245126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=G2OTF%2FBvVTFOCJ5DGbLmLLozIOeRQ1NsMiSPs8fjDfk%3D&reserved=0>  on the platform I work on. References are a collapsed at the end of the page.

 

Thank you 

 

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Date: Monday, 2 August 2021 at 16:53
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Subject: RE: FW: Good accessibility practice for handling footnotes
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Resent date: Monday, 2 August 2021 at 16:48

 

Hi,

 

In our Transition to Accessible EPUB 3 working group (not a W3C working group, we are documenting support in browsers and EPUB reading systems. We plan to publish a set of suggested voiced values that enhance semantics. For example a h2 that is a chapter title could also say “chapter. 

 

Best

George

 

 

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Subject: Re: FW: Good accessibility practice for handling footnotes

 

Thanks Bryan and Matt.

Does anyone know why are these aria-roles are documented separately from the roles developers are probably more familiar with in https://w3c.github.io/aria/ <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Faria%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cjordan.rogers%40ioppublishing.org%7Cd347782572e241df770008d95757cd34%7Cf9ee42e6bad04e639115f704f9ccceed%7C0%7C0%7C637636859410255076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=BulBJhwWcvqltLthDryW5jldqqm4PJ3mOBl7S4eJjdU%3D&reserved=0> ? If they are usable in the web context, it seems as though they deserve some mention in the latter (unless I’ve missed something).

Also, do these roles communicate any information directly to the user, or only to the assistive technologies users might be using?

 

Peter

 

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