Re: Does the YouTube video player fail SC 2.1.4?

Anyone else have any thoughts on the subject? I am really interested in how
other people see this. Especially beacause of the impact it has on
evaluating and passing/failing websites that use embedded YouTube
players....

Met vriendelijke groet,

Gerard Copinga


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Op wo 10 jul. 2019 om 09:53 schreef Gerard Copinga <gerard@technobility.nl>:

> I think the reason why the shortcuts won't work on the rest of the webpage
> when you embed a YouTube video is because it is embeded using an iframe.
> Apparently the scope of the shortcuts won't go outside the iframe. Which
> makes sense in a way. If you would add other content to the iframe holding
> the YouTube video you willl notice that the shortcuts will also work
> outside the video. So, Condition #3 is not really met in a direct way, but
> indirectly because an iframe was used. That's the difference between the
> video on the YouYube website and the same video embedded.
>
> But, besides that, can the 'video player' (and what is the video player,
> which HTML element is it, of where does it start and where does it end) as
> a whole be seen as a User Interface Component? I have my doubts about that
> reading the definition (see
> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#dfn-user-interface-components ).
> According to SC 4.1.2 each User Interface Component needs to have a name,
> role and value. What is the 'name' or the 'role' of the 'video player' as a
> whole? Also in other succes criteria this will be problematic.
>
> So, my assumption is that the video player as a whole is not a User
> Interface Component; only the buttons and links within the video can be
> seen as User Interface Components. That would mean that the shortcuts can
> only work if the focus is on the button (or link) to which the shortcut
> applies. So the 'k' can only work when the focus is on the play/pause
> button. Consequence is that I have to fail each website that uses embedded
> YouTube videos. That is almost every website we test fot accessibiliyu
> issues.
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Gerard Copinga
>
>
> Cardan Technobility
> TalentSquare 13
> 5038 LX Tilburg
> Tel.: +31 (0) 88 500 4070
> E-mail: gerard@technobility.nl
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>
>
> Op di 9 jul. 2019 om 15:45 schreef <jromack@gmail.com>:
>
>> SC 2.1.4 is met if any of the following applies:
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Turn off
>>
>>
>>    - A mechanism is available to turn the shortcut off;
>>
>>
>>    - Remap
>>
>>
>>    - A mechanism is available to remap the shortcut to include one or
>>       more non-printable keyboard keys (e.g., Ctrl, Alt);
>>
>>
>>    - Active only on focus
>>
>>
>>    - The keyboard shortcut for a user interface component is only active
>>       when that component has focus.
>>
>>
>>
>> Condition #3 seems to apply here, as the video player is a single
>> component of your page or interface – and the accesskeys available for the
>> player cannot be invoked without focus on that component.
>>
>>
>>
>> Interestingly enough, Condition #3 is NOT applicable on YouTube’s default
>> video player when viewing content on their website, as these accesskeys are
>> active regardless of where focus is on the page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gerard Copinga <gerard@technobility.nl>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2019 4:29 AM
>> *To:* W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Does the YouTube video player fail SC 2.1.4?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> if you embed a YouTube video on a webpage the videoplayer uses single key
>> character shortcuts. For instance the 'k' to pause the video and the 'c' to
>> enable or disable captions. So, the videoplayer would fail this succes
>> criterion
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a discussion on wether the exception "Active only on focus" is
>> applicable here. The shortcuts only work when keyboard focus is in the
>> videoplayer (on the YouTube webpage in the iframe). If the keyboard focus
>> is outside the video (on the rest of the webpage) the shortcuts no longer
>> work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can the videoplayer be seen as a single control for a distinct function
>> (watch the video) or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerard Copinga
>>
>>
>>
>> Cardan Technobility
>>
>> TalentSquare 13
>>
>> 5038 LX Tilburg
>>
>> Tel.: +31 (0) 88 500 4070
>>
>> E-mail: gerard@technobility.nl
>>
>> WWW: www.technobility.nl
>>
>> Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdagochtend, woensdag, donderdagochtend
>>
>>
>>
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