Re: Alternative text with multiple lines

Thank you very much, David Woolley, I didn't know the object element and
I'll deepen in it.

And thanks Jonathan Avila for your point of view. You made me think. We
cannot only take into account screen readers. Fundamental point. Thanks for
the remainder.

I discard the alternative text with multiple lines. I think the best option
is to add an optional disclosure. I'm going to check that a HTML details
element below the image is fully accessible.

Thanks again for your valuable help!
Raquel


On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, 16:44 Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com wrote:

> I would recommend not relying on alternative text as the textual
> equivalent of the code and allowing the user to be able to view the source
> as text through an optional disclosure or with color added through CSS as
> the replacement for the image.    Users with low vision will likely want to
> enlarge the text, have it wrap, etc. rather than using then image.  So
> others can benefit from actual text not just screen reader users.
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> Hi,
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> I've met a blind developer who suffers when reading posts which include
> source code within images.
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> The best solution would be to replace those images by text. According to
> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#images-of-text: "If the technologies being
> used can achieve the visual presentation, text is used to convey
> information rather than images of text". However, he's thinking about an
> option to show that beautiful image with source code in the visual
> rendering and, at the same time, to have the text of the source code only
> visible to assistive technology.
>
> I admire he's looking for that solution, respecting the use of the image,
> in other words, respecting the development behind the functionality of
> getting images with colored and formatted source code.
>
> The problem is having an alternative text with multiple lines.
>
> Please, what do you think about this option?
>
>   <img src="source-code-1.jpg" alt="Source code about ..."
> aria-details="source-code-1">
>   <div id="source-code-1" hidden>
>       /* source code */
>   </div>
>
> However, according to https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#aria-details:
> "Authors SHOULD ensure the element referenced by aria-details is visible to
> all users". This option hides that element.
>
> I found several examples in
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/complex/. However, longdesc seems
> not fully supported and other options don't support multiple lines of
> alternative text.
>
> Another option could be to add a HTML details element below the image,
> which don't interfere too much with the visual aspect, because its content
> is only visible when it's toggled into an "open" state. Furthermore, offers
> the possibility of copying the source code. However, we're thinking about
> not showing another element in the page, in order to offer 2 options (with
> an additional visible element and without an additional visible element)
> and to be a proposal readily accepted for everybody.
>
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>
> I looked for information in ATAG, thinking about a user who has to add an
> alternative text with multiple lines to an image. However, those guidelines
> refer to WCAG: https://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG10/#def-alt-eq
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>
> Thanks in advance for your time,
> Raquel
>