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RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?

From: Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:34:08 +0000
To: "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>
Cc: "Wright, Isaiah" <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>, Mitchell Evan <mtchllvn@gmail.com>, Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>, Tim Harshbarger <tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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I am not aware of one either, but I do know I've frequently wished that 
they did. If I have Typing Echo set on character, those keys are arguably 
part of the JAWS output, but they are is not incorporated into the Speech 
History, whether by intent or technical limitation.

Michael Gower
IBM Accessibility
Research

1803 Douglas Street, Victoria, BC  V8T 5C3
gowerm@ca.ibm.com
voice: (250) 220-1146 * cel: (250) 661-0098 *  fax: (250) 220-8034



From:   "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>
To:     Mitchell Evan <mtchllvn@gmail.com>, "Wright, Isaiah" 
<Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>
Cc:     Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>, Tim Harshbarger 
<tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" 
<w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Date:   2018-03-01 07:15 PM
Subject:        RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?



I am not aware of any screen capturing tool which also captures 
keystrokes. This is what you are seeking for.
 
Regards
Sean Murphy
Accessibility Software ENGINEER
seanmmur@cisco.com
Tel: +61 2 8446 7751
 
Cisco Systems, Inc.
The Forum 201 Pacific Highway
ST LEONARDS
2065
Australia
cisco.com
 
http://www.cisco.com/go/accessibility

 
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From: Mitchell Evan [mailto:mtchllvn@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 2 March 2018 1:01 PM
To: Wright, Isaiah <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>
Cc: Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com>; Steve Green 
<steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; Tim Harshbarger 
<tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
 
When I've observed screen reader users in a UX research context, another 
challenge I've run into is not knowing what rapid series of keystrokes the 
user just hit. We have video for touchscreen interactions and screen 
capture for mouse movements. I wonder, can one of these tools record all 
screen reader keystrokes interleaved with the speech? That would be the 
winner, in my opinion.
 
Regarding your last question. As long as the text is getting appended to a 
file in near real time, there must be a way to view it. Something like 
Unix tail | YourTextViewerUtility.
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 3:41 PM Wright, Isaiah <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com> 
wrote:
I just got this /z option working and tested it out during one of my 
feedback sessions. This will be tremendously helpful when I go back and 
analyze multiple sessions to look for usability/accessibility issues. 
Thanks!
 
I wish they also had a real-time speech viewer so I can see what JAWS is 
saying during an actual feedback session. Some of my participants are 
super users and use a very high JAWS speech rate. I struggle to follow 
along and comprehend what is being read. A live speech viewer can help me 
follow along and process what the user is doing on screen.
 
Isaiah M. Wright
Usability Research  | Integrated Channels & Experience
440 S. Church St., Charlotte NC 28202
T + 704 444 4694  |  isaiah.wright@ally.com

 
From: Sean Murphy (seanmmur) [mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 5:34 PM
To: Tim Harshbarger <tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com>; Wright, Isaiah <
Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>; Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; 
w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

Subject: RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
 
As have previously mention, the /z option which does work in the latest 
version of Jaws saves everything to a log file. Very useful for debugging 
speech. Jaws from 18.0 and later is meant to show you where the cursor is 
in a web page. Not sure if the feature is on by default or not.
 
Regards
Sean Murphy
Accessibility Software ENGINEER
seanmmur@cisco.com
Tel: +61 2 8446 7751
 
Cisco Systems, Inc.
The Forum 201 Pacific Highway
ST LEONARDS
2065
Australia
cisco.com
 
http://www.cisco.com/go/accessibility

 
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From: Tim Harshbarger [mailto:tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2018 5:19 AM
To: Wright, Isaiah <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>; Steve Green <
steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
 
JAWS does have a Speech History view, but it only records about the last 
40-50 lines of speech and it isn’t displayed like NVDA’s speech window.
 
If you have the option, you might just want to keep an audio record of the 
screen reader output if not a video record of it. 
 
Thanks,
Tim
 
 
From: Wright, Isaiah [mailto:Isaiah.Wright@ally.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:55 AM
To: Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
 
I just emailed them Steve. It looks promising. I can’t find a price tag on 
their website but I have a call setup with them a couple of weeks and I’m 
sure they will let me know what it costs.
 
Isaiah M. Wright
Usability Research  | Integrated Channels & Experience
440 S. Church St., Charlotte NC 28202
T + 704 444 4694  |  isaiah.wright@ally.com

 
From: Steve Green [mailto:steve.green@testpartners.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 12:32 PM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
 
You could look at JAWS Inspect, which is supposed to do this – I will 
evaluate it when I get some time. It’s not cheap but it could be worth it 
if you do a lot of development or testing.
 
https://www.paciellogroup.com/products/jaws-inspect/

 
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
 
 
From: Michael Gower [mailto:michael.gower@ca.ibm.com] 
Sent: 28 February 2018 17:15
To: Wright, Isaiah <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
 
Isaiah, please have a look at Speech History to see if this is something 
like what you're looking for.
http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2014_12_3_using_jaws_speech_history/02_Speech_History_Mode.htm



Michael Gower
IBM Accessibility
Research

1803 Douglas Street, Victoria, BC  V8T 5C3
gowerm@ca.ibm.com
voice: (250) 220-1146 * cel: (250) 661-0098 *  fax: (250) 220-8034



From:        "Wright, Isaiah" <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>
To:        "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Date:        2018-02-28 08:49 AM
Subject:        Speech Viewer for JAWS?

 
Sorry for the double post – I sent my previous email with the wrong 
subject line!
 
 
NVDA offers a great feature called Speech Viewer which allows you to 
visually see what the screen reader is saying. Does JAWS have an 
equivalent to this? Through a google search, I found a thread from 2013 
that suggested using JAWS Braille viewer. It looked promising but it only 
displays the first 40 characters of what is being read.
 
I am a user experience (UX) researcher and I’m conducting some 
accessibility testing on our site with real users. It would be great if I 
could read and save everything that the screen reader is saying. This will 
help me analyze what users did so that I can make recommendations to our 
creative teams on things they can change in order to make users’ 
experiences more delightful.
 
Thanks!
-Isaiah M. Wright
 
 
-- 
Mitchell Evan
mtchllvn@gmail.com
+1 (510) 375-6104





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