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RE: Table Scope=row working with screen reader?

From: Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) <psubramanian@hagroup.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:18:49 +0000
To: ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>, "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>
CC: Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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Hi All,

Thank you for your responses. It was greatly helpful.

Yes, assigning the scope=’col’ and ‘row’ makes it announce the headers while navigating through column/row separately. But they are NOT announced together. As it would make more sense to understand the table values with both row & column headers together.

I was thinking there will be some specific keyboard shortcut or coding way to make it possible, but I infer that is not the case (tested both on JAWS & NVDA).

Best,
Poornima.

From: ALAN SMITH [mailto:alands289@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 10:24 PM
To: Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com>
Cc: Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk>; Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) <psubramanian@hagroup.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Table Scope=row working with screen reader?

Please note that <td> scope attribute is not supported in HTML5 from all sources that I've found.

On Feb 26, 2018 7:28 PM, "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com<mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com>> wrote:
Agreed, you only want to hear the column or row heading based on the navigation as  Léonie outlined.

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From: Léonie Watson [mailto:tink@tink.uk<mailto:tink@tink.uk>]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2018 8:40 AM
To: Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) <psubramanian@hagroup.com<mailto:psubramanian@hagroup.com>>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Table Scope=row working with screen reader?
On 26/02/2018 21:12, Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) wrote:
> We are coding for a simple table where scope=column and scope=row
> defined for headers. When checking with screen reader (NVDA, JAWS),
> both the "row" and "column" headers are not announced together.

I think it's scope="col", not scope="column".


I also wouldn't expect both the row and column headers to be announced at once. When moving vertically up/down a column, the row header should be announced before the content of the cell. When navigating horizontally left/right through a row, I'd expect the column header to be announced before the contents of the cell.

>
> The 'row headers' are completely skipped. Only the 'column headers'
> are announced while navigating through table cells.
>

Do you have some example code and/or an example you can point to?

> Is this a known issue? Any suggestion to fix this?

I've just run a quick test using the following code, and both Jaws and NVDA announce the row and column headers as expected.

<table>
<tr>
<td scope="col">Name</td><td scope="col">Fruit</td> </tr>

<tr>
<td scope="row">Alice</td><td>Apples</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td scope="row">Bob</td><td>Bananas</td>
</tr>
</table>

Though I'd note that using the <th> element instead of <td scope="..."> is arguably a better idea.

Léonie.
>
> Appreciate your response!
>
> Best,
>
> Poornima
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