- From: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:43:19 -0600
- To: WAI-IG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
- Cc: Ramakrishnan Subramanian <ram.eict2013@gmail.com>
- Message-Id: <OF1890F125.39A436D8-ON86258234.005A4842-86258234.00615A71@notes.na.collabserv.c>
Regarding the question from Ramakrishnan 3. Links which open in a new window: When there is no indication for the screen reader users for the link which opens in a new window, is that considered an accessibility violation? If yes, which criteria does this issue violate? 3.2.2 On Input: Changing the setting of any user interface component does not automatically cause a change of context unless the user has been advised of the behavior before using the component. (Level A) Note: This Success Criterion covers changes in context due to changing the setting of a control. Clicking on links or tabs in a tab control is activating the control, not changing the setting of that control. [later in the Success Criteria it says:] Specific Benefits of Success Criterion 3.2.2: . . . Individuals who are unable to detect changes of context are less likely to become disoriented while navigating a site. For example: Individuals who are blind or have low vision may have difficulty knowing when a visual context change has occurred, such as a new window popping up. In this case, warning users of context changes in advance minimizes confusion when the user discovers that the back button no longer behaves as expected. In my opinion the Note and the Benefits are conflicting. The SC is about changing the setting of any user interface component not about clicking a link. Most agree that clicking a link by definition causes a change of context, period, whether in a new window or same window. The question that then comes up often is the need for clarification on what is the web developers responsibility, the target of WCAG. What has to be in the content and code of the web page to warn the user vs what is the responsibility of the browser and assistive technology? Surely no one is arguing that the user has to be warned in the webpage content that clicking a link will cause a new page to be loaded. 1. is it sufficient to pass 3.2.2 to simply code a target="_blank "> to notify the browser & AT that the link will open in a new page, and then it is up to the user's browser setting and AT settings if they want to be notified when clicking the link that it is opening a new window or a new tab? 2. What data does anyone have that says that some users are or are NOT also caused confusion be adding text to the link "opens in a new window" when in fact their setting is to open in a new tab? Does it open a new window or a new tab and how is the web content to know? Only the browser will know if and when a new window vs a tab will be opening. 3. Why is opening a new window or tab any more or less confusing than clicking a link and loading a new page? 3. Are there not enough keyboard commands to navigate between tabs and browser windows and previous pages? In other words, why require all links in the content that will open in a new window/tab to include this text abut "open in a new wondow" when the author/content has indeed provided enough information to the browser and AT for them to be able to then notify the user, if that is their preference? I am advocating for the use of the additional text 'some of the time' when the audience is specifically know to prefer or benefit, but I am not advocating for the success criteria to fail if the additional text is *not* added. Again, I am advocating for us to lobby the handful of browser to include a warning feature than trying to get billions of web pages to address this requirement. your thoughts? ___________ Regards, Phill Jenkins
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