- From: Schimmel, John <john.schimmel@nytimes.com>
- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:47:47 -0500
- To: "Cohn, Jonathan" <jcohn@air.org>
- Cc: Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com>, "tink@tink.uk" <tink@tink.uk>, Markku Hakkinen <mhakkinen@acm.org>, "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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I love lurking on this conversation. Accessible IDEs are so needed and I'm a bit tired of recommending Eclipse and Notepad++. Related to VS Code, I saw a video about CodeTalk plugin on from Microsoft that provides Code glanceability, Real-Time Error information, Accessible Debugging. Here's the github detail page with a video link inside, https://microsoft.github.io/CodeTalk/ On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@air.org> wrote: > I believe that tnotepad++ works better with NVDA from what I have read on > other lists. I keep forgetting to switch to NVDA when I am in it. Also of > note apparently the codepan sites are working on being more accessible. > There was some discussion of this on the BATS mailing list earlier this > month. > > > On 1/22/18, 11:27 AM, "Matt King" <a11ythinker@gmail.com> wrote: > > Léonie wrote: > > > I ask because I'm trying (and failing) to find a screen reader > accessible code editor. > > Atom and VS Code are both Electron based, and neither seems usefully > accessible. > > Much the same seems to be true of Slack, > > another Electron based tool I'd very much like to be usable with a > screen reader. > > Léonie, I feell the pain. This kind of searching is so time consuming > and can be very frustrating. I'd love to have an editor where more of the > advanced features are usable with a screen reader. > > I still use Eclipse. The basics are quite accessible. I really like > how you can set up hotkeys to do just about anything. It's outline view of > code is super helpful. Although, with html and js, not quite as useful as > with other languages like java where I used to use the outline to move > blocks of code around. But, there are similarly powerful selection features > inside the editor itself. > > JAWS works very well. I have only minor, light-weight scriptping for > keys like reading the currunt line/column number. One annoyance ... In > JAWS enhanced edit mode, JAWS reads indentation but only the visible text > so does not completely read long lines. In JAWS standard edit mode, JAWS > reads the entire line but not indentation. > > The biggest downside to Eclipse is that it is rather heavy. It is an > IDE. It takes a while to load. And, you can't just load a file from the > file system into the editor. You have to open the Eclipse platform to do > any work. So, it is better for projects. It is not so great for quick > experimentation with random snippets of code. > > Also, the plugin for editorconfig files doesn't seem to work for html > and js. > > For fast light-weight stuff, I sometimes use Notepad++, but it has too > many accessibility issues to use extensively. For example, I often have to > re-read lines because JAWS can't accurately track the cursor. You press > down arrow, and it may read the line the cursor just left instead of the > line it moved to. > > I would love to have some good alternatives. > > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Léonie Watson [mailto:tink@tink.uk] > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 3:08 PM > To: Markku Hakkinen <mhakkinen@acm.org>; Sean Murphy (seanmmur) < > seanmmur@cisco.com> > Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org > Subject: Re: Electron accessibility > > On 15/01/2018 01:42, Markku Hakkinen wrote: > > Electron is a wrapper around the Chrome (Chromium) browser. The > > accessibility support native to the version of Chromium used to build > > Electron is what is exposed. Cautionary note is that Electron > > releases typically lag several releases behind the current Chrome > > release, meaning bugs fixed in newer releases of Chrome will not be > > present in the “current” Electron release. > > It seems from what you've said, that Electron can be accessible - with > the caveat that there may be some lag before issues are resolved there. > Does that mean Electron in and of itself is capable of a reasonable > degree of accessibility? > > I ask because I'm trying (and failing) to find a screen reader > accessible code editor. Atom and VS Code are both Electron based, and > neither seems usefully accessible. Much the same seems to be true of Slack, > another Electron based tool I'd very much like to be usable with a screen > reader. > > As an aside, I know VS Code has an accessibility mode, but when it's > enabled you lose basic features like word wrapping and line numbering, and > I can't write code without those two basic features! > > Léonie. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 7:13 PM Sean Murphy (seanmmur) > > <seanmmur@cisco.com <mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com>> wrote: > > > > All,____ > > > > __ __ > > > > https://electronjs.org/ ____ > > > > __ __ > > > > I am starting to see more and more applications built using this > > framework. 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