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Re: ATAG testing

From: Greg Gay <greggay@rogers.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:23:13 -0400
To: "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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Hi Sean,

I may have spoke too soon on TinyMCE 4. It's been a while since I've 
taken a close look at it. Here's some more on V4.0+ accessibility.

https://www.tinymce.com/docs/advanced/accessibility/

With NVDA and Edge there is resonably good access to the TinyMCE UI, 
though there's room for improvement.† Could not make it work with† my 
recently upgraded to JAWS 18, though it does not seem to read web 
content at all using it on a Windows 10 VM from a MAC. I'm guessing I'm 
missing a setting somewhere.† (help, if anyone knows why this might be)

There is also an addon accessibility checker for the subscription (paid) 
version of TinyMCE. It's a shame they've chosen to make accessibility a 
paid feature (though only $.40 per user per month).

https://www.tinymce.com/docs/plugins/a11ychecker/

 From what I can tell, there are no prompts to warn authors about 
missing alt text, for instance, which were present in earlier version of 
the editor.

Bottom line, I think, TinyMCE 4 would not be compliant, but would not be 
far off. With a little trouble, I was able to create content in 
Wordpress while using NVDA/Edge. And it is possible to create accessible 
content, but without prompts, so only if you know what you're doing.

greg


On 2017-09-19 8:22 PM, Sean Murphy (seanmmur) wrote:
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> Greg,
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> Thank you for the information on the Wordpress editor as I have just 
> taken over responsibility of a site. This is good information to know.
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> *From:*Greg Gay [mailto:greggay@rogers.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 September 2017 1:37 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: ATAG testing
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> Hi Sean,
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> We did some work with Moxiecode some years back when ATAG 2 was under 
> development, to make TinyMCE 3 ATAG 2 compliant. For a while it was 
> the only open WYSIWYG editor that did comply, being accessible to 
> screen readers, and helping authors produce accessible content.
>
> http://archive.tinymce.com/wiki.php/TinyMCE3x:Accessibility
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> Unfortunately with the introduction of TinyMCE 4, which the current 
> Wordpress uses, much of the accessibility work done on V3 was lost. 
> You can no longer use it with a screen reader, or with a keyboard for 
> that matter.
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> I can't speak for for other CMS, but if they are using a current 
> version of TinyMCE, they will not be ATAG compliant.
>
> Perhaps you, or someone, could remind the TinyMCE folk about that work 
> with V3. It would not take too much to replicate that with the current 
> version.
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> greg
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> On 2017-09-19 1:21 AM, Sean Murphy (seanmmur) wrote:
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>     All,
>
>     This is a general query and would like to know if any CMS platform
>     follows the ATAG 2.0 standard? What is the awareness of this
>     standard in the development world and the general community? Thus
>     far I donít see much discussion on this standard and havenít seen
>     many CMS platforms that follow it. Does anyone use the standard
>     for testing?
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