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Re: Unicode character for CC symbol?

From: Michael A. Peters <mpeters@domblogger.net>
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 01:50:26 -0700
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <eb8f64ee-8eb8-6a06-1ba4-094aeef80440@domblogger.net>
Actually that's a reason for it. You can't easily translate an image to 
another language, but it would be relatively easy to swap a region 
specific character to one more appropriate to the region of the user, 
even if the webmaster has no knowledge. That's something the browsers 
could do.

What does the default cc button in html5 video players look like outside 
the US?

On 09/06/2017 01:05 AM, Nigel Megitt wrote:
> Yes, a big reason: it is US-specific.
>
> On 5 Sep 2017, at 19:53, J. Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden@gmail.com
> <mailto:jalbertbowden@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Any reason why wikipedia's cc icon isn't good
>> enough? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Closed_captioning_symbol.svg
>>
>> It's public domain...
>> Also, if you want to use the font icon, pretty sure they offer svg
>> version (if not the conversion is minimal), which you can simply use
>> in an <img />.
>> More info and canonical source for the cc icon
>> here: http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/hire/symbols.html
>>
>> Just trying to help.
>> Albert
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Elizabeth Pyatt <ejp10@psu.edu
>> <mailto:ejp10@psu.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Icon fonts can work if ARIA descriptions are added. This basically
>>     treats the character as an image and adds an ALT text option.
>>     See
>>     http://sites.psu.edu/gotunicode/2014/11/18/aria-for-screen-readers-not-able-to-read-symbols/
>>     <http://sites.psu.edu/gotunicode/2014/11/18/aria-for-screen-readers-not-able-to-read-symbols/>
>>
>>     As you might guess, you would want to be strategic in your use of
>>     an icon font, this could be a case where the ARIA solution could
>>     be useful (or you could use an image with ALT text).
>>
>>     Hope this helps.
>>
>>     Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>     > On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Patrick H. Lauke
>>     <redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > Noting that icon fonts have their own issues, particularly for
>>     users who set custom fonts, among other things. See
>>     https://cloudfour.com/thinks/seriously-dont-use-icon-fonts/
>>     <https://cloudfour.com/thinks/seriously-dont-use-icon-fonts/> and
>>     https://speakerdeck.com/ninjanails/death-to-icon-fonts
>>     <https://speakerdeck.com/ninjanails/death-to-icon-fonts>
>>     >
>>     > P
>>     >
>>     > On 05/09/2017 15:43, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>     >> It is available in Font Awesome (http://fontawesome.io/icon/cc/
>>     <http://fontawesome.io/icon/cc/>) using the private use space in
>>     Unicode…
>>     >> Thanks,
>>     >> AWK
>>     >> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>     >> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>     >> Adobe
>>     >> akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
>>     >> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>     >> On 9/5/17, 06:07, "Nigel Megitt" <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk
>>     <mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>> wrote:
>>     >>> This seems on the face of it problematic. The trouble is that
>>     there is no
>>     >>> single representation for the idea of "closed captions"
>>     globally. Whereas
>>     >>> in the US it might be represented by something like "CC", in
>>     the UK where
>>     >>> closed captions are known more usually as subtitles, it is often
>>     >>> represented by "S". I may be wrong about this but I don't
>>     think Unicode
>>     >>> would normally create a code point for a glyph that has
>>     >>> territory/culture-specific variant forms.
>>     >>>
>>     >>> Having said that, a globally usable label of some sort that
>>     means "this is
>>     >>> the button for switching closed captions on and off" could be
>>     useful.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>> On 03/09/2017, 22:33, "Michael A. Peters"
>>     <mpeters@domblogger.net <mailto:mpeters@domblogger.net>> wrote:
>>     >>>
>>     >>>> According to
>>     >>>>
>>     https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AClosed_captioning_symbol.svg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C044b96f883e0476fbf5408d4f446d6c7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636402032489256383&sdata=um37Q5hz%2FuCfvJ67yslDrq5qF%2FPPwrRp77uZTxr7mwQ%3D&reserved=0
>>     <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AClosed_captioning_symbol.svg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C044b96f883e0476fbf5408d4f446d6c7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636402032489256383&sdata=um37Q5hz%2FuCfvJ67yslDrq5qF%2FPPwrRp77uZTxr7mwQ%3D&reserved=0>
>>     that
>>     >>>> symbol has been released into the public domain.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> It would make sense then for there to be a unicode character
>>     for it, in
>>     >>>> the technical range (where play and fast forward and pause
>>     glyphs exist)
>>     >>>> but I could not find one.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> For me where it would be useful is when designing html5
>>     players, the
>>     >>>> standard audio players in most browsers don't show the CC
>>     button even
>>     >>>> when there are track elements provided and custom JS to
>>     display them.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> If it had a unicode character, I could modify my webfont to
>>     include it
>>     >>>> there and just specify the character glyph (in a span with title
>>     >>>> attribute of course) like I do with the other player control
>>     elements.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> I can suggest it to the unicode group but I wanted to make
>>     sure it
>>     >>>> doesn't already exist and I'm just not finding it, and also if it
>>     >>>> doesn't, hear any arguments as to why it might be a bad idea.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > --
>>     > Patrick H. Lauke
>>     >
>>     > www.splintered.co.uk <http://www.splintered.co.uk> |
>>     https://github.com/patrickhlauke <https://github.com/patrickhlauke>
>>     > http://flickr.com/photos/redux/
>>     <http://flickr.com/photos/redux/> | http://redux.deviantart.com
>>     > twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
>>     >
>>
>>     =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>     Elizabeth J. Pyatt, Ph.D.
>>     Accessibility IT Consultant
>>     Teaching and Learning with Technology
>>     Penn State University
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Albert Bowden II
>>
>> jalbertbowden@gmail.com <mailto:jalbertbowden@gmail.com>
>>
>> http://bowdenweb.com/
>>
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