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Re: courses for designers and developers.

From: Alan Bridgeman <a.bridgeman@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 12:28:13 +0000
To: Dean Birkett | AssistiveWare <d.birkett@assistiveware.com>, "Boyd, Amanda (UK - Belfast)" <aboyd@deloitte.co.uk>
CC: Ludovic GIAMBIASI <ludovic.giambiasi@gmail.com>, "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>, Matthew Putland <matthew.putland@mediaaccess.org.au>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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Hello,

I seem to be pretty late to this email chain and I'm meirly a fourth year computer scoence undergrad at the University of Manitoba. But I wanted to through my two cents in since I'm going to be trying to convince the university I attend (University of Manitoba) and hopefully the Canadian Information Processing Society (CIPS) which as I understand is the closest thing to a computer science program regulatory body in Canada. To include this kind of matterial in our computer scoence curriculim(s).

Now I know the OCAD University Inclusive Design Research Centre (IDRC) does education (Master degrees) on this type of stuff but I can't speak to this other then to say I've heard good things. Here is their website: http://idrc.ocadu.ca


Below I've included a copy of a documrnt I've written as a rough first draft proposal (thats been reviewed by a few people with decent standing) specifically for the purpose of convincing the computer science departmemy to include this kind of matterial in the University of Manitoba program. I don't know if it will help with the specific issues at hand but feel free to use it for your own ends or if you have time I'd really like the feedback on it as well.

Thanks for all your time.

Regards,
Alan Bridgeman

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From: Dean Birkett | AssistiveWare <d.birkett@assistiveware.com>
Date: 2016-11-08 5:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Boyd, Amanda (UK - Belfast)" <aboyd@deloitte.co.uk>
Cc: Ludovic GIAMBIASI <ludovic.giambiasi@gmail.com>, "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>, Matthew Putland <matthew.putland@mediaaccess.org.au>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: courses for designers and developers.

I find a lot of the online Accessibility courses tend to be developer focussed. The one Matthew mentioned is broader, and you don’t hit any code at all. although I wouldn’t say it is for UXers either - it’s more of a broad intro, and the coursework revolves around accessibility testing & creating accessible content (videos).

The free MOOC from The University of Southampton (https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/digital-accessibility) is also quite broad, and it introduces you to issues faced by people with various impairments, but there are no real tests as such.

To date I’ve yet to find a course that really covers Accessibility from a UX perspective, which is a real shame, but I can totally recommend a workshop with Derek Featherstone of Simply Accessible, he helped me (a UX Designer with  a keen interest in Accessibility) to come at design problems through an Accessibility lens to create better solutions.

Best
Dean

On 8 Nov 2016, at 11:20, Boyd, Amanda (UK - Belfast) <aboyd@deloitte.co.uk<mailto:aboyd@deloitte.co.uk>> wrote:


Hi,

As a web developer – accessibility is a fundamental aspect of the web. If we are teaching our students front-end web development – accessibility should be core to this.

It was covered alittle in my university course in UK, all our sites had to be W3C accessibility checked althought I felt the aria labels and voiceover accessibility could have been covered more.

Teaching students to solve the accessibility problems they run into when they are coding – for example – how the structure of their code regarding H1-H6 and the layout of forms could impact the page navigation of the user tabbing through while using Voiceover.

If we teach them to adopt this while coding – they will adopt these considerations into their projects/apps before starting.

Everyone always leave accessibility to the end of projects as an after thought :(

Many Thanks,
Amanda Boyd


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From: Ludovic GIAMBIASI <ludovic.giambiasi@gmail.com<mailto:ludovic.giambiasi@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 09:49
To: "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com<mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com>>, Matthew Putland <matthew.putland@mediaaccess.org.au<mailto:matthew.putland@mediaaccess.org.au>>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: courses for designers and developers.
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Resent-Date: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 09:50

Hi,

In all my interventions (university, private school, etc.) I include accessibility and UX courses. Sometimes, courses are dedicated to accessibility, otherwise in all programming courses, I include accessibility  part and ux also...

I'm in France...

Ludo,

Le mar. 8 nov. 2016 à 07:40, Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com<mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com>> a écrit :

Matthew





Thank you for the response. The information you have shared in relation to the South Australian course I was aware of and should have mention it in my original post. The info you shared in relation to the offerings from your university appears to be the status quo for Australia.





If UX and developers are not getting their teeth into this area of development and design at an University level. Then it is a uphill battle to change things without people repeating themselves over and over. Thus why I raised the question.





Sean Murphy

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Subject: RE: courses for designers and developers.



> I am wondering if Universities, Third party trainers and the like cover accessibility in their development and UX courses? If so, is there any resources for different countries to indicate which training organisations that cover this in their courses and what level of quality the training is?



Hi Sean Murphy,



From my own experience and talking with others, Accessibility training in web dev and UX courses are few and far between. My own I.T Degree which I completed at the end of 2015 only discussed accessibility for 3 marks of a single assignment, and that’s in my entire degree. My UX designer colleague from the University of Sydney had a lecture on accessibility, but of course 1 lecture isn’t enough to go to a very deep level.



There is however an online 6-week University-level course that my organization runs called the “Professional Certificate of Web Accessibility<http://www.unisa.edu.au/education-arts-and-social-sciences/communication-international-studies-and-languages/pcwa/>” at the University of South Australia, which is completely self-promoting but may assist with what you’re looking for.



I’m unsure if there’s any collaboration between countries on what is taught accessibility-wise, but I’d say there’s still a sad lack of accessibility training in general for these courses.



Cheers,



Matthew Putland

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From: Sean Murphy (seanmmur) [mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 9:13 AM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: courses for designers and developers.



I am wondering if Universities, Third party trainers and the like cover accessibility in their development and UX courses? If so, is there any resources for different countries to indicate which training organisations that cover this in their courses and what level of quality the training is?

Sean Murphy

Accessibility Software engineer

seanmmur@cisco.com<mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com>

Tel: +61 2 8446 7751<tel:+61%202%208446%207751>      Cisco Systems, Inc.

The Forum 201 Pacific Highway

ST LEONARDS

2065

Australia

cisco.com<http://cisco.com/>



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