Re: Conforming to WCAG 2.0 SC 2.4.5 (Multiple Ways) for pdf files

Exactly.

Note that - as David said - it must BOTH   be obtained using http://    AND  it must be rendered by the user agent.       A file that only downloads from http://  (and will not render on a user agent) is a download but not web content.    

Something that you get in any other way — is not web content as you receive it   (even if the same doc is available on the web someplace)


gregg

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 2:11 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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> Under WCAG a web page is determined by the definition.
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> a non-embedded resource obtained from a single URI using HTTP plus any other resources that are used in the rendering or intended to be rendered together with it by a user agent <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#useragentdef>
> I was on the WCAG2ICT team and there were many discussions around "sets of pages", but this definition, I would say, is the go to place for the definitive definition. A PDF is only a "Web Page" under WCAG if it sits at a URL. If the same PDF is sent by email, it is not a web page, which is the one reason for WCAG2ICT. WCAG2ICT was intended to examine whether WCAG could actually work for Documents, and how it would work IF someone wanted to use WCAG to make documents accessible. It was determined by the task force that it could be used, with some switches to language and a few other caveats. WCAG has not made a determination regarding the difference between PDF and MS Word docs. 
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> Under this normative definition, a PDF that is obtained from a single URL is a web page in its entirety, so it is not a "set of web pages" but a single web page, since it was obtained from a single URL.
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> It should also be noted that ANY type document that sits at a URL that fits under this definition (rendered in a user Agent), could be considered "web content". 
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> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> wrote:
> > The criterion states: ‘More than one way is available to locate a Web page within a set of Web pages except where the Web Page is the result of, or a step in, a process.’
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> It’s interesting you bring this up – because PDF files are considered web content – but other document formats are not.  For non-PDF formats the Guidance on Applying WCAG 2.0 to Non-Web Information and Communications Technologies (WCAG2ICT) <https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#navigation-mechanisms-mult-loc> states:
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> 2.4.5 Multiple Ways: More than one way is available to locate a non-web document <https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#wcag2ict-def_document> within a set of non-web documents <https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#wcag2ict-def_set-of-documents> except where the non-web document <https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#wcag2ict-def_document> is the result of, or a step in, a process.
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> Thus, for non-PDF this provision only applies to documents in a set of documents and not pages within a document.  Perhaps that interpretation applies to PDF as well – but that’s not clear.  And IMO allowing other documents to get away with not providing multiple ways of access is very unfortunate – but since I was not involved in the creation of that document I did not catch that until after the document was published.
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> I believe the general understanding based on technique PDF 2 is that a document is not in the same set as a set of web pages and thus the PDF doesn’t need to contain links to the web pages that it is hosted with.  But that within a PDF the pages are within a set and therefore PDF documents would need to have bookmarks or table of contents to the internal pages.  Since most PDF readers also have functions to move between pages and automatically create bookmarks it seems like this could be met through the user agent without requiring the author to do this – but that is not clear.
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> From: Vlerken-Thonen, M. van (Michèlle) - Logius [mailto:michelle.van.vlerkenthonen@logius.nl <mailto:michelle.van.vlerkenthonen@logius.nl>] 
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> Subject: Conforming to WCAG 2.0 SC 2.4.5 (Multiple Ways) for pdf files
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> Good afternoon,
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> I’m trying to find out what is necessary to conform to success criterion 2.4.5 for pdf files.
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> The criterion states: ‘More than one way is available to locate a Web page within a set of Web pages except where the Web Page is the result of, or a step in, a process.’
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> When reading the definitions in WCAG I would think a pdf file is a web page, and not a set of web pages. However, one of the techniques for this success criterion is PDF2, creating bookmarks in pdf files. This leads me to believe that in WCAG 2.0 a pdf file is considered a set of web pages, and success criterion 2.4.5 applies. This means that to be sufficient the bookmarks would have to be combined with another of the mentioned techniques.
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> Does this mean that to pass this success criterion every pdf file needs to have bookmarks, plus an extra means of navigation  such as a table of contents, even if it only has one page?
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> Thanks for any help!
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