- From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:37:55 +0100
- To: "Batusic, Mario" <mario.batusic@fabasoft.com>
- Cc: "deborah.kaplan@suberic.net" <deborah.kaplan@suberic.net>, Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>, Web Accessibility Initiative Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CA+ri+VmRvxk+xkO=Yj-4ojjWbKRSLN8-LHUjtMUVVvb-BxyeKA@mail.gmail.com>
Note: I have restarted the discussion about browser implementation in a place where browser implementers now congregate: http://discourse.wicg.io/t/nascent-proposal-keyboard-navigation-of-headings-and-html5-landmark-elements/948?u=stevef -- Regards SteveF Current Standards Work @W3C <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/> On 21 July 2015 at 07:00, Batusic, Mario <mario.batusic@fabasoft.com> wrote: > Hi Deborah, All > > You have absolutely right with saying that the best and only correct > keyboard navigation solution lays in the hand of browser implementors. But > we live "now", not in the future. And all main browser developing > organizations are members of W3C and know from the beginning about > accessibility issues including the currently discussed one. > When I recommended "jump links" it was a traditional answer, a still > interim solution, but unfortunately, as you said, plug-ins and extensions > are no solution and never will be. So the only way to conform to WCAG 2.0 > in this point currently is still the interim solution way ugly, unbeloved > jump links. > I hope the browser developer will soon make the situation better - they > know about the need for years. > Mario Batusic > Accessibility at www.fabasoft.com > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: deborah.kaplan@suberic.net [mailto:deborah.kaplan@suberic.net] > > Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2015 19:09 > > An: Phill Jenkins > > Cc: Web Accessibility Initiative Interest Group > > Betreff: Re: AW: "Bypass Blocks" Question > > > > On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Phill Jenkins wrote: > > > 1. It would be better to educate end users on how to install and use > > > the plug-ins available, > > > > This is simply impractical. Most users outside of technology don't use > plug- > > ins/extensions, don't know they exist, don't know how to search for > them, and > > don't know how to decide which ones are safe or useful for them. This is > unlikely > > to change. > > > > The most quickly growing pool of people with accessibility needs will > always > > include people who are elderly, which is unlikely to be a pool of people > who will > > necessarily be excited about searching for and installing plug-ins and > extensions. > > A huge number of people with disabilities live in poverty, and these are > not > > necessarily people who have the resources to make it reasonable to > prioritize > > searching for browser extensions. > > > > The browsers should supply basic accessibility. This is not > unreasonable. You > > should not need add-ons and extensions to get accessibility. > > > > > So the problem seems to be "us", the accessibility community, for not > > > posting resources about the various capabilities in the browsers, > > > plug-in, and extensions, including JavaScript frameworks for keyboard > > > navigation for end-users. Below is an initial resource list. Please > > > copy, add-to, and post to increase the community awareness. We are > never > > going to make the progress we need to by asking the millions of web > sites to add > > skip nav links when a relatively very few browsers and open source > community > > folks can solve the problem for us. Asking web site owners to go beyond > using > > the structural mark-up and adding skip nav links too, that we have been > asking > > for for over a decade, is not working. Lets all try to be more > efficient in our > > recommendations by using all the guidelines we have, including UAAG . > > > > We, the accessibility community, are never going to be reaching every > person > > with an accessibility need. It's not going to happen. It's not that we > aren't trying > > hard enough, and it's not that we don't have the resources -- it is that > we cannot > > do it. > > > > You are right that asking site owners to add skip nav links is not > working. Nor > > should they need to. If they write in semantically correct HTML 5, with > ARIA > > markup where appropriate, there is absolutely no reason that the user > agents > > couldn't create the keyboard skip navigation from that markup. We should > not > > be asking site owners to work around what are effectively browser bugs; > we > > should demand fixes in the browsers. We should not be relying on add-ons > and > > extensions that most users will never discover; we should demand fixes > in the > > browsers. As you say, with your point 2: > > > > > > > 2. It would be more efficient to request more capabilities from the > > > developers / manufacturers of the relatively very few browsers. > > > > A small number of browsers are the most efficient way to fix the problem. > > > > Deborah Kaplan >
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