- From: Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>
- Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 11:41:15 -0500
- To: Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com>
- Cc: WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Devarshi, Is aria-controls really useful here? The JS needs to be fixed for the aria-label and aria-sort values. Besides, the focus indicator is not visible; with CSS off, the up/down arrows disappear. HTML images are better for the arrows I think and can be assigned alt. I realize this is an example of static headers with sort feature. So consider adapting from the technique here http://juicystudio.com/article/accessible_data_tables_static_headers.php Exposing 2 tables to SR users and using a summary to explain the disconnect is a no-no for me. Thanks, Sailesh On 3/3/15, Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> wrote: > Sailesh, > The second grid seems to associate the headers in the first grid, and that > could be due to the use of aria-controls - is that a correct observation? > Some questions - >>It's not clear whether this is an example of incorrect aria use, or maybe > aria overuse. Assuming aria (code) is correctly used, and screen reader is > incorrectly interpreting the code, is it a violation / failure? >> Visually it's a single data table, not structurally. Would it be okay to > suggest in the table summary of the first grid something like, "There are > two tables; this is the first table that hosts header cells. Table data > follows in the second table." Should it then be considered navigable by > screen reader users? >>Is it reasonable to code to specs and not worry about how assistive > technologies would react (in the interim, determine workarounds), knowing > that someday these will eventually merge? > -Devarshi > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Sailesh Panchang > <sailesh.panchang@deque.com >> wrote: > >> Devarshi, >> I am testing with JAWS 16, NVDA 2015.1: >> >> There are two grids and column header row is repeated in both; the >> first has no data rows and the 2nd grid has an empty first row. >> This is confusing in itself. >> Then: >> On loading the page, on grid#1: >> aria-controls=example >> aria-label=Name: activate to sort column descending >> aria-sort=ascending >> Then I sorted the table using age: >> aria-controls=example >> aria-label=Name: activate to sort column ascending >> aria-sort=ascending >> In grid#2:col headers are in row#2 and I see >> aria-controls=example >> aria-label=Age: activate to sort column ascending >> aria-sort=descending >> >> An example of incorrect ARIA use? >> Thanks, >> Sailesh >> >> >> On 3/2/15, Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> wrote: >> > HI All, >> > Can someone test with a screen reader and determine if it announces the >> > sort state of the active column header: >> > http://www.datatables.net/examples/basic_init/scroll_y.html# >> > >> > I get the following results: >> >>JAWS 13 and IE9 convey that headers are sortable but do not announce >> >> the >> > states (ascending / descending) once invoked. Note that the active >> > state gets announced on tabbing and then shift tabbing back. >> >>NVDA does not announce the headers. >> > Would be nice to see additional test results. >> > Thanks, >> > Devarshi >> > >> >
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