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RE: role="presentation"

From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:38:21 +0000
To: "chaals@yandex-team.ru" <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, Jesper Tverskov <jesper@tverskov.dk>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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> . It is certainly interesting, and a part of the whole "what is a data table" question that doesn't seem to have a really clear answer

I also think the idea is very interesting as there could be edge cases where it has merit.  One semi related scenario is graphical builder type applications where you can drag and drop/cut and paste objects into an area to create something.  I've been examining using a grid role potentially without headers to provide some semantic location such as coordinates for these generic types of objects.  Similar things could be done with games I suppose such as checkers or chess where you would have row and column coordinates but it is not tabular data as we traditionally consider it.


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-----Original Message-----
From: chaals@yandex-team.ru [mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:03 PM
To: Jesper Tverskov; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: role="presentation"

12.05.2015, 10:42, "Jesper Tverskov" <jesper@tverskov.dk>:
> I would like to hear, if you agree, that we should always do what is 
> the most accessible, not just follow guidelines in a formalistic 
> manner.

I think it is hard to imagine someone disagreeing and maintaining a lot of respect, without very careful reasoning.

But the problem comes with the details. What works for one or two groups of users really well can cause serious problems for a different group. Knowing when to deviate from the common approach is, I think, much more difficult than it seems...

Knowing how to double down, achieving both what you wanted but didn't find in the "standard approach" while not throwing that away, is part of the real art in what we try to do.

I'm still pondering your specific case - in part because I have had very little time to reflect. It is certainly interesting, and a part of the whole "what is a data table" question that doesn't seem to have a really clear answer…



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