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RE: Understanding How Focus Behavior Works For VoiceOver On IOS and TalkBack On Android

From: Jamal Mazrui <Jamal.Mazrui@fcc.gov>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 21:36:38 +0000
Message-ID: <EB07E20E25A51D4DBFA6CA4A9F07C69301047F1C@fcc.gov>
To: 'Jennifer Sutton' <jsuttondc@gmail.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi Jennifer,
I am referring to mobile apps like BBC News, NPR News, Reuters, and WashPost.  These apps generally render articles via native controls without invoking the Safari browser.

Jamal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Sutton [mailto:jsuttondc@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 5:25 PM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Understanding How Focus Behavior Works For VoiceOver On IOS and TalkBack On Android

Jamal and others:

The question I wondered about, Jamal, is what are you using to read?

Is it safe to assume you are referring to reading in Safari?

I honestly rarely read articles with Safari because I find stand-alone app.s much faster and more predictable (with IOS), much as I'd prefer to support the open Web.

If you'd like suggestions for app.s, Jamal, feel free to write me off-list.

Jennifer

At 12:06 PM 4/10/2015, David hilbert poehlman wrote:
>this is across-the-board behavior therefore it is an Apple call
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>On Apr 10, 2015, at 13:53, Jamal Mazrui 
><<mailto:Jamal.Mazrui@fcc.gov>Jamal.Mazrui@fcc.gov> wrote:
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>Hi Jonathan,
>Do you have thoughts on the following problem?
>
>When using VoiceOver on iOS, I find that the VO cursor often loses 
>focus when in a list of items that may individually be active.  For 
>example, in almost every newspaper or magazine app that I use, after I 
>open an article to read and then return to the table of contents via a 
>Back button, the VO cursor loses its place in the list and instead 
>leaves me at the top of the list again.  So, when I am selecting 
>articles to read, I have to keep swiping through the titles of articles 
>I have already encountered before I swipe to new titles.  I find this 
>to be a significant drain on efficiency.
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>How can iOS developers code so that the VO cursor maintains the focus 
>that a user would expect?  Could a change in the accessibility API 
>solve this problem so that developers do not have to deliberately 
>address it?
>
>Jamal
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>Jamal Mazrui
>Director, Accessibility and Innovation Initiative Federal 
>Communications Commission
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jonathan Avila
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>Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 2:43 PM
>To: Jim; <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>Subject: RE: Understanding How Focus Behavior Works For VoiceOver On 
>IOS and TalkBack On Android
>
>Jim, it depends on whether you are talking about native apps or web 
>apps.  For web apps you can use the standard practices for web 
>accessibility.  Regarding native apps, when screen readers are 
>activated both platforms change how interactions work and place 
>additional items into the swipe/focus order.  Essentially under iOS if 
>an element has isAccessibilityElement set to YES it is focusable with 
>swiping.  On android set the element to be focusable (e.g.
>android:focusable) to make it swipable or accessible with the keyboard.
>
>Jonathan
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim [<mailto:jhomme1028@gmail.com>mailto:jhomme1028@gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 2:30 PM
>To: <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>Subject: Understanding How Focus Behavior Works For VoiceOver On IOS 
>and TalkBack On Android
>
>Hi,
>I'm trying to advise some developers how to sensibly help mobile screen 
>readers land in user-friendly places when screens come up.
>Before I have specific questions, I was attempting to wade through the 
>draft accessibility API document, and because I am only a dangerous 
>coder, and like things in non-technical language, at least to start 
>with, can anyone point me to somewhere that I can read to understand 
>this so that I can go from a high level and then drill down to 
>technical things?
>
>Thanks.
>
>JJim
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Received on Friday, 10 April 2015 21:37:01 UTC

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