W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > w3c-wai-ig@w3.org > October to December 2014

Re: Hiding heading level ones

From: Laura Carlson <lcarlson@d.umn.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:37:02 -0600
Message-ID: <CA+M9-v8EK8ikBz_0Te_hs58_spXEnqgwyq-wWNL+ymdZH+BN=A@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Gunderson, Jon R" <jongund@illinois.edu>
Cc: Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>, w3c-wai-ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi Jon,

Yes. That is ideal.

Some departments here use that the same type of pattern. With Drupal
it maybe easier to get others to follow suit.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Laura

On 11/25/14, Gunderson, Jon R <jongund@illinois.edu> wrote:
> Laura,
>
> The design pattern I use for TITLE and H1 elements and note I would also
> include the MAIN[role="main"] element.
>
> TITLE element content provides both website and sub-page information
>
> H1 provides only sub-page information
>
> <head>
>   <title>Disability Services: Accommodation Services</title>
>   ....
> </head>
> <body>
>
>   .....
>
>  <main role="main">
>   <h1>Accommodation Services</h1>
> .....
> </main>
>
> In terms of meeting 2.4.2 is really up to the individual unless your
> organization has its established its own technique requirements for meeting
> SC 2.4.2 and other success criteria.  WCAG 2.0 only standardizes the
> accessibility requirements, not the techniques to meet the success criteria.
>   This was done to allow developers to adapt to changes in technology and
> accessibility techniques without having to change WCAG 2.0.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Jon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laura Carlson [mailto:lcarlson@d.umn.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:43 AM
> To: Sailesh Panchang
> Cc: w3c-wai-ig
> Subject: Re: Hiding heading level ones
>
> Hi Sailesh,
>
> Thank you very much for your reply. The page would have a <title> element.
> It would not have a visible <h1>. Would you consider not having a visible
> <h1> a failure of  SC 2.4.2?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best regards,
> Laura
>
> On 11/25/14, Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com> wrote:
>> Laura,
>> True, SR users will have some h1 text to read but if the page does not
>> have a page title it will fail SC 2.4.2. Non-SR users will not see a
>> page title.
>> Yes in some situations one may have an h1 and no content before the
>> next heading. But that is content that is available to all.
>> Sailesh
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/14, Laura Carlson <lcarlson@d.umn.edu> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A Web developer in our marketing department has asked if the
>>> following markup, which is meant for use in Drupal themes and
>>> Dreamweaver templates throughout the organization, would meet WCAG AA
>>> with the notion that screen readers will be able to receive a good
>>> heading for the page and some snappy marketing text could go in the
>>> <h2>.
>>>
>>> <style>
>>> .hidden {
>>> position: absolute;
>>> top: -9999px;
>>> left: -9999px;
>>> }
>>> </style>
>>>
>>> <h1 class="hidden">Page Title</h1>
>>>  <!-- No other content -->
>>> <h2>THIS IS WHERE THE DOCUMENT HEADING GOES.</h2>
>>>
>>> Thoughts on that markup and WCAG AA?
>>>
>>> I stated that if he hides the <h1> he would be locking out people
>>> with cognitive and learning disabilities who would benefit from the
>>> ability to identify content by a visible <h1>. My advice to him was
>>> to keep the <h1> visible and intuitively easy to understand.
>>>
>>> I have cited Info and Relationships Success Criteria 1.3.1, "When
>>> such relationships are perceivable to one set of users, those
>>> relationships can be made to be perceivable to all."
>>>
>>> In addition I have pointed him to:
>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/training/online/structure/coding/index.html
>>> #writing
>>>
>>> Other thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura L. Carlson
>>> Information Technology Systems and Services University of Minnesota
>>> Duluth Duluth, MN U.S.A. 55812-3009
>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/training/online/webdesign/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
> Information Technology Systems and Services University of Minnesota Duluth
> Duluth, MN U.S.A. 55812-3009
> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/training/online/webdesign/
>
>


-- 
Laura L. Carlson
Information Technology Systems and Services
University of Minnesota Duluth
Duluth, MN U.S.A. 55812-3009
http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/training/online/webdesign/
Received on Tuesday, 25 November 2014 20:37:31 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Tuesday, 13 October 2015 16:21:53 UTC