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Re: HTML5 DL Element vs. WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:32:15 +0000
Message-ID: <CA+ri+Vm61YTWtMxd6T-Dp76dsWko1EJCaYAP3JZV273Sj3K5gw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Duff Johnson <duff@duff-johnson.com>
Cc: Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>, WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
"To clarify; so <dl>, <dt> and <dd> are not presently
accessibility-supported by JAWS or NVDA? Dare I even ask about VoiceOver?"

I would seriously question this, as what the 'accessibility support'
requirement is for these elements is not defined anywhere.  What is clear
is that both JAWS and VoiceOver identify definition lists as definition
lists and allow users to access the items. Some browsers (Safari and
Firefox) expose the definition list semantics via accessibility APIs

Do AT convey the semantics as some would wish them to? probably not, but
this does not constitute a lack of 'accessibility support'.

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 14 February 2014 22:08, Duff Johnson <duff@duff-johnson.com> wrote:

> Sailesh,
>
> To clarify; so <dl>, <dt> and <dd> are not presently
> accessibility-supported by JAWS or NVDA? Dare I even ask about VoiceOver?
>
> If so, then the only types of lists with accessibility support in HTML at
> this time are Ordered and Unordered?
>
> 6 years after publication of WCAG 2.0?
>
> I'm not trying to rub it in, but it has to be said:
>
> Ouch.
>
> Perhaps screen-readers should prefix: "Label" before <dt> content and
> "list item" or "content" before the <dd>. The model needs to be as generic
> as possible, or so it seems to me...
>
> Duff.
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I suggested this to FS to improve support for DL:
> > "As one navigates a definition  list using "I", JAWS should perhaps
> > prefix the  word "Term" before the contents of the DT element.
> > When a DT has more than one DD elements associated with it, JAWS
> > should  say "Term with <n> definitions" before the value of the DT
> > element, where 'n' corresponds to count of associated DD elements."
> >
> > The response I got:
> > The definition list issue was discussed with product management and
> > development, and it was agreed that it is a good idea.
> > It has been added it to our developer data base as a feature enhancement
> action.
> >
> > I have also filed a bug for NVDA and hoping for  a response.
> > Thanks,
> > Sailesh
>
>
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