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Re: Seeking feedback on IAAP certification roadmap

From: <Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 20:13:13 -0400
To: Paul Bohman <paul.bohman@deque.com>
Cc: Bob carroll <accessys@smart.net>, "J. Albert Bowden" <jalbertbowden@gmail.com>, "Lastort Joanne L [Contractor]" <Joanne.L.Lastort@irs.gov>, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>, W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <OF4BDCED6A.320731AE-ON85257CB9.0000DC11-85257CB9.00013660@ca.panasonic.com>
Paul,
No I was not referring to certification of web sites. Will you certify a 
person based on their understanding of only WCAG 2.0 in general or their 
knowledge of the differences between Levels A, AA or AAA? In other words 
will you have 3 different levels (A, AA, AAA) of WCAG 2.0 certification or 
just one certification to cover all 3 levels?
Thanks.
Tony

Tony Jasionowski
Senior Group Manager Accessibility
Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company 
Two Riverfront Plaza, 9th Floor 
Newark, NJ 07102
Email: tony.jasionowski@us.panasonic.com
Tel/Fax: 201-348-7777






From:   Paul Bohman <paul.bohman@deque.com>
To:     Tony Jasionowski <Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com>, 
Cc:     Bob carroll <accessys@smart.net>, "J. Albert Bowden" 
<jalbertbowden@gmail.com>, "Lastort Joanne L [Contractor]" 
<Joanne.L.Lastort@irs.gov>, David Hilbert Poehlman 
<poehlman1@comcast.net>, W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Date:   04/11/2014 09:48 PM
Subject:        Re: Seeking feedback on IAAP certification roadmap



> Is your focus on WCAG 2.0? If not please clarify further? As you know 
AODA already requires WCAG 2.0 Level AA. Will IAAP certify each Level of 
WCAG 2.0?

My response: The IAAP will certify the skills of an individual according 
to the current best practice. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, 
WCAG 2.0 is considered best practice for many kinds of digital content, so 
yes, the IAAP will test a person's knowledge and skills relative to WCAG 
2.0. If and when that changes, the IAAP will adapt to the new best 
practices. 

IAAP will not certify web sites or organizations, if that's what you were 
asking. 


Paul Bohman, PhD
Director of Training
Deque Systems, Inc
www.deque.com
703-225-0380, ext.121


On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM, <Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com> 
wrote:
Paul, 
Noted, IAAPs focus is based on this email list, which I totally support as 
an IAAP #1 priority? Is your focus on WCAG 2.0? If not please clarify 
further? As you know AODA already requires WCAG 2.0 Level AA. Will IAAP 
certify each Level of WCAG 2.0? 
Best wishes, 
Thanks. 
Tony 

Tony Jasionowski 
Senior Group Manager Accessibility
Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company 
Two Riverfront Plaza, 9th Floor 
Newark, NJ 07102
Email: tony.jasionowski@us.panasonic.com 
Tel/Fax: 201-348-7777 






From:        Paul Bohman <paul.bohman@deque.com> 
To:        Tony Jasionowski <Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com>, 
Cc:        David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>, "Lastort Joanne 
L [Contractor]" <Joanne.L.Lastort@irs.gov>, Bob carroll <
accessys@smart.net>, "J. Albert Bowden" <jalbertbowden@gmail.com>, W3C WAI 
ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> 
Date:        04/11/2014 07:09 PM 
Subject:        Re: Seeking feedback on IAAP certification roadmap 



Many people on this list are accessibility professionals, so the 
collective group of you are indeed one of the target audiences of the 
IAAP. In fact, the first certification category that will be developed is 
in the realm of digital accessibility, so right now you are the main 
target audience. If the IAAP branches out later (that's not a given), then 
it will be appropriate to engage with other similar professional groups in 
those areas. 


Paul Bohman, PhD
Director of Training
Deque Systems, Inc
www.deque.com
703-225-0380, ext.121 


On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:46 PM, <Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com> 
wrote: 
Joanne, 
I agree with you that IAAP scope is beyond the scope of this list. 
Tony 


Tony Jasionowski 
Senior Group Manager Accessibility
Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company 
Two Riverfront Plaza, 9th Floor 
Newark, NJ 07102
Email: tony.jasionowski@us.panasonic.com 
Tel/Fax: 201-348-7777 






From:        David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> 
To:        "Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com" <
Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com>, 
Cc:        "Lastort Joanne L [Contractor]" <Joanne.L.Lastort@irs.gov>, Bob 
carroll <accessys@smart.net>, "J. Albert Bowden" <jalbertbowden@gmail.com
>, Paul Bohman <paul.bohman@deque.com>, W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> 
Date:        04/11/2014 02:26 PM 
Subject:        Re: Seeking feedback on IAAP certification roadmap 



Perhaps then it is too broad to discuss on this list?


-- 
Jonnie Appleseed 
with his 
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s 
touching the internet 
Reducing technologeyes' disabilities 
one byte at a time 

On Apr 11, 2014, at 14:13, Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com wrote:

Joanne, 
WCAG only relates to web accessibility and not the many other aspects of 
accessibility, which I assume IAAP will address and/or certify. It seems 
the scope of IAAP is intended to be international and cover all aspects of 
accessibility, which is a real challenge. 
Tony 
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Tony Jasionowski 
Senior Group Manager Accessibility
Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company 
Two Riverfront Plaza, 9th Floor 
Newark, NJ 07102
Email: tony.jasionowski@us.panasonic.com 
Tel/Fax: 201-348-7777 

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From:        "Lastort Joanne L [Contractor]" <Joanne.L.Lastort@irs.gov> 
To:        Paul Bohman <paul.bohman@deque.com>, "
Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com" <Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com>, 
Cc:        Bob carroll <accessys@smart.net>, "J. Albert Bowden" <
jalbertbowden@gmail.com>, W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> 
Date:        04/10/2014 09:37 AM 
Subject:        RE: Seeking feedback on IAAP certification roadmap 



Most countries are aligning themselves with WCAG 2.0 - even the US (at 
least partially). That should help, if you're going to use any kind of 
standard.

Thank you for your help,

Joanne Lastort
IT Specialist
508 Program Office (IRAP) 
240-613-4681 (new)
TOD: 8am-4:30pm Eastern
IRAP Web site: http://irap.web.irs.gov
Please send all correspondence to *508 (508@irs.gov)


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bohman [mailto:paul.bohman@deque.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:32 AM
To: Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com
Cc: Bob carroll; J. Albert Bowden; W3C WAI ig
Subject: Re: Seeking feedback on IAAP certification roadmap

Tony,

I agree that localization of laws is complex, but IAAP is international, 
so we can't focus only on US laws.



Paul Bohman, PhD
Director of Training
Deque Systems, Inc
www.deque.com
703-225-0380, ext.121



On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:31 PM, <Tony.Jasionowski@us.panasonic.com> wrote:


               Folks, 
               There is a wide variation between ADA, CVAA and other 
international accessibility laws, which may not be harmonized. I suggest 
IAAP should focus onto the U.S., since it may be too difficult to 
encompass international certification. 
               Tony 
               
               Tony Jasionowski 
               Senior Group Manager Accessibility
               Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company 
               Two Riverfront Plaza, 9th Floor 
               Newark, NJ 07102
               Email: tony.jasionowski@us.panasonic.com 
               Tel/Fax: 201-348-7777 
               
                
               
               
               
               
               From:        Paul Bohman <paul.bohman@deque.com> 
               To:        accessys@smart.net, 
               Cc:        "J. Albert Bowden" <jalbertbowden@gmail.com>, 
W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> 
               Date:        04/08/2014 08:05 PM 
               
               Subject:        Re: Seeking feedback on IAAP certification 
roadmap 
               
________________________________




               IAAP certification is not specific to any law, such as the 
ADA. It is for accessibility professionals in a variety of accessibility 
disciplines. Similarly, the IAAP is an international organization, not 
just for American laws.
               
               It's also important to separate the concept of courses from 
certification. The IAAP will offer a variety of educational resources and 
opportunities which can impart the kind of knowledge necessary to pass 
certification, but the certification itself is an assessment; a test. The 
idea behind certification is to show that the individual has met a certain 
level of expertise in the field, according to industry-accepted 
competencies. 
               
               
               Paul Bohman, PhD
               Director of Training
               Deque Systems, Inc
               www.deque.com <http://www.deque.com/> 
               703-225-0380, ext.121 <tel:703-225-0380%2C%20ext.121>  
               
               
               On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:55 PM, <accessys@smart.net <
mailto:accessys@smart.net> > wrote: 
               
               when I took the DoJ training back in 1992 they made it very 
clear that there was going to be no accepted "Certification" for ADA, so 
wonder how this sits with the DoJ position or has it changed???
               
               and how will it relate to DoJ training courses??
               
               Bob
               
               On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, J. Albert Bowden wrote:
               
               Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 19:47:40 -0400
               From: J. Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden@gmail.com <
mailto:jalbertbowden@gmail.com> >
               To: Paul Bohman <paul.bohman@deque.com <
mailto:paul.bohman@deque.com> >
               Cc: W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> >
               Subject: Re: Seeking feedback on IAAP certification roadmap
               Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 23:48:09 +0000
               Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>  
               
               
               does it cost money to get certified?
               
               
               
               On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Paul Bohman <
paul.bohman@deque.com <mailto:paul.bohman@deque.com> > wrote:
               
               Cross posted request for feedback:
               
               The International Association of Accessibility 
Professionals (IAAP) needs
               your feedback on our roadmap for accessibility 
certification. Here is the
               roadmap as it stands now:
               
               
http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/content.asp?contentid=163 <
http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/content.asp?contentid=163> 
               
               We are still in the early stages of designing the 
certification, so your
               feedback is most valuable now, before we commit to a 
certain path.
               
               Here are some questions to consider as you read the 
roadmap:
               
                  1. What do you think of the roadmap overall?
                  2. What would you do to improve our roadmap?
                  3. What do you think of the *levels* of certification 
outlined in the
                  roadmap?
                  4. Are there any broad *Knowledge Domains and Roles* 
that we have left 
               
                  off that should be included? 
                  5. Do you like our list of *Digital Accessibility* areas 
of 
               
                  certification? Should we add to or subtract from this 
list? (For example,
                  one person commented that we should add gaming to the 
list.) 
                  6. Do you like the idea of certifying for these areas 
separately, in a
                  modular approach as we have done? (See the section on 
*Referencing
                  IAAP Credentials* for an explanation of how this might 
work)
                  7. Do you like the 3 year period for certification? 
Would you make it 
               
                  shorter (2 years) or longer (5 years)? 
                  8. What kind of certification assessment would you 
create? Keep in 
               
                  mind that it has to be a valid and meaningful test of 
the right kind of
                  competencies, it must be challenging enough that novices 
could not pass it
                  without first studying or gaining experience,  it must 
be scalable (not too
                  burdensome to administer or grade/score the assessment), 
and translatable
                  into other languages. 
                  9. Once certification becomes available, do you think 
you would go 
               
                  through the process to become certified? Why or why not? 

                  10. What else should we consider as we move forward? 
               
               
               To give feedback, you can reply directly to this email, or 
you can send an
               email to the certification committee: 
CC@accessibilityassociation.org <mailto:CC@accessibilityassociation.org> 
               
               Paul Bohman, PhD
               Chair, IAAP Certification Committee
               Director of Training
               Deque Systems, Inc
               www.deque.com <http://www.deque.com/> 
               703-225-0380, ext.121 <tel:703-225-0380%2C%20ext.121> 
               
               
               
               
               --
               J. Albert Bowden II
               
               jalbertbowden@gmail.com <mailto:jalbertbowden@gmail.com> 
               
               http://bowdenweb.com/ <http://bowdenweb.com/> 
               
               
               



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