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Re: Tables: Does scope="col" Stop When A Row Spans Multiple Columns?

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:02:10 -0700
To: "Homme, James" <james.homme@highmark.com>
CC: Roger Hudson <rhudson@usability.com.au>, Duff Johnson <duff@duff-johnson.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <BBB25896-9EC7-4D9A-9C23-030B18DCCE49@adobe.com>
Sounds like an incorrectly marked up table. Jaws uses the same process to evaluate and read tables in both PDF and HTML.

Andrew Kirkpatrick


On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "Homme, James" <james.homme@highmark.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> The table I looked at was in a PDF. JAWS spoke the headers correctly when I moved from left to right. It spoke the whole column down to the cell I landed on when I moved from right to left. So, if I was in row six, it read all five cells above where I looked, and if I was in row nine, it read the first eight cells, then the one I landed on. Could there be some other problem?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Hudson [mailto:rhudson@usability.com.au] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:28 PM
> To: 'Duff Johnson'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Tables: Does scope="col" Stop When A Row Spans Multiple Columns?
> 
> Some years ago I checked how well several screen readers used scope and
> found with "rows" the results were not good, and only just OK with "col".
> Does anyone have any recent results of testing HTML data tables with screen
> readers, and in particular with complex tables that have more than one level
> of column and/or row headers?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duff Johnson [mailto:duff@duff-johnson.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 5:06 AM
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Tables: Does scope="col" Stop When A Row Spans Multiple
> Columns?
> 
> Jim,
> 
> - Headers with a scope of "col" are column headers
> - Headers with a scope of "row" are row headers
> - Cell can span rows or columns up to the maximum number of rows or columns
> in the table.
> 
> If the table may be fully executed using the above you don't need to use
> IDs.
> 
> Does that help?
> 
> Duff.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 2:02 PM, "Homme, James" <james.homme@highmark.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a table in which the heading cells all have scope="col", but the
> table has some rows that span across the whole table. What is the expected
> behavior for this situation? Should I consider using the headers and id
> attributes to get proper reading if something doesn't work?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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