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Re: Voiceover detection in JavaScript

From: <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:46:46 -0400 (EDT)
To: Brian Cragun <cragun@us.ibm.com>
cc: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>, Alastair Campbell <alastc@gmail.com>, WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.1304081545340.3798@cygnus.smart.net>

I would suspect that gesture/typing for visually impaired and others might 
depend on their age, older folks were taught to touch type when they were 
young and probably prefer the keyboard.

Bob


On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Brian Cragun wrote:

> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:31:55 -0500
> From: Brian Cragun <cragun@us.ibm.com>
> To: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>
> Cc: Alastair Campbell <alastc@gmail.com>,
>     WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: Voiceover detection in JavaScript
> Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:32:35 +0000
> Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> 
> Hi Bryan,
>
> I think it was user error on my part.  :-)  A little more testing showed
> that the "bounce back" occurs on the time slider when the  horizontal
> slider has engaged more than 20%.  In that case, the time slide button is
> not visible, and for some reason this causes it to not retain focus.  When
> I set the horizontal slider to 0%, the time slider works with the gesture,
> or with the keyboard after selecting the link.
>
> Wireless keyboards.   We're requiring teams that develop mobile apps to
> test both gesture access and keyboard access using a paired wireless
> keyboard.  This is to meet the standards criteria, which still require
> keyboard access, and we think the Soft keyboard on iOS not sufficient for
> the standard, as we understand it.   Keyboards could benefit navigation by
> the blind (although most blind people I know prefer gestures) but also
> those with mobility impairment.  I don't have a switch to test with, but
> paired keyboard access would be a good indicator of  access without
> gesture.
>
> BTW.  The only iOS native element I have not been able to access with the
> keyboard, so far, is the assistive touch icon.  Any ideas?
>
> Brian Cragun
> IBM AbilityLab Consultant
> Human Ability & Accessibility Center
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   "Bryan Garaventa" <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>
> To:     Brian Cragun/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS,
> Cc:     "Alastair Campbell" <alastc@gmail.com>, "WAI Interest Group"
> <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Date:   04/08/2013 01:57 PM
> Subject:        Re: Voiceover detection in JavaScript
>
>
>
> A wireless bluetooth combination, I hadn't thought of that. The hidden
> link is provided as a fallback for users with screen readers that don't
> support the use of ARIA, but if a keyboard is being used, it should be
> possible to set focus to the slider itself, since it is already programmed
> to be keyboard accessible, then the arrow keys would move the slider? Then
> again, I seem to remember that the arrow keys on Voiceover move focus
> instead of passing this through to the control.
>
> I'm not sure why the time slider would bounce focus. It literally uses the
> same setup script as the first slider, the only difference is the CSS
> which makes it a vertical slider instead of a horizontal one, and
> aria-orientation="vertical" is set on the slider.
>
> I tried this using the gestures and didn't have a bounce effect. Which
> mode of navigation does this happen on? Also, it's important to move the
> first slider to 0% before trying the Time slider, because the image that
> opens will obscure the second slider.
>
> The Time slider also has a hidden link fallback that opens a standard
> select as well, which is intrinsically bound to the slider.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Cragun
> To: Bryan Garaventa
> Cc: Alastair Campbell ; WAI Interest Group
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Voiceover detection in JavaScript
>
> Bryan, that is a fantastic gesture to learn!  Works great for gesture
> interaction.  Is there a corresponding bluetooth wireless keyboard key
> combination to interact with the slider?
> The only thing I can find is to "select" the slider bar brings up a popup
> button to set the value.
>
> Also, any idea why on this demo when I navigate to the "time" slider, the
> page resets and the focus goes to the top of page?
>
> Brian Cragun
> IBM AbilityLab Consultant
>
>
>
>
> From:        "Bryan Garaventa" <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>
> To:        "Alastair Campbell" <alastc@gmail.com>,
> Cc:        "WAI Interest Group" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Date:        04/08/2013 11:31 AM
> Subject:        Re: Voiceover detection in JavaScript
>
>
>
> This would be the page at
> http://whatsock.com/modules/aria_slider_module/demo.htm
>
> Voiceover incorrectly says that you should swipe up and down with one
> finger to adjust the slider, but David gave the correct sequence earlier,
> which is to double tap and hold with one finger, wait for the pass-through
> sound, then slide your finger in the direction you want to drag the
> slider.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alastair Campbell
> To: Bryan Garaventa
> Cc: WAI Interest Group
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Voiceover detection in JavaScript
>
> I couldn't get anything to 'slide' in iOS, with or without VoiceOver, I
> just used the buttons.
>
> Perhaps we're talking at cross-purposes, which page do you mean?
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Bryan Garaventa <
> bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com> wrote:
> The issue is that I can't get Voiceover to grab the slide, then move it.
> If there is a gesture sequence for this though, I definitely want to learn
> it.
>
> The carousels are fine in Voiceover, I worked on these a while ago. For
> some reason Voiceover on iOS isn't paying attention to aria-hidden="true"
> when included within a button element. That's a bout it though.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alastair Campbell
> To: Bryan Garaventa
> Cc: WAI Interest Group
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 5:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Voiceover detection in JavaScript
>
>> Now, if only I could fix the ARIA Sliders that easily.
>
> What was the issue there? I tried the carousel and slidershow, they seemed
> ok. Could adjust the ordering a little to make it easier to understand
> (and don't rely on having an esc key), but it seemed ok.
>
> -Alastair
>
>
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