RE: Skip links and keyboard navigation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Roger, you are correct, but in this case the skip links are never visible. When Vivienne says the links are sometimes visible in the bottom left corner, she actually means the link URL is displayed in the browser's status bar, which is inaccessible for some people and may not even be displayed at all.

Steve Green

From: Roger Hudson [mailto:rhudson@usability.com.au]
Sent: 06 December 2012 00:42
To: 'Vivienne CONWAY'; 'THOMAS,Danny'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Skip links and keyboard navigation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

While fully agreeing skips links should be visible, strictly speaking I don't think there is a requirement for them to be always visible. I am pretty sure this issue was extensively canvassed at the various stages for comments during the preparation of WCAG 2 and many argued for visibility to be a requirement, but without success.

The use of skip links is covered in 2.4.1 Bypass blocks. And advisory technique G1 "Adding a link at top of each page that goes directly to the content area." It is worth noting, this technique contains the following comment: *** quote ***
However, Success Criterion 2.4.1 does not require that they be visible when they do not have focus, and links that are visible only when they have focus can meet this success criterion.
*** end quote***



From: Vivienne CONWAY [mailto:v.conway@ecu.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 11:07 AM
To: THOMAS,Danny; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> list
Subject: RE: Skip links and keyboard navigation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

I agree in the technicality of the issue, but how does the keyboard user have access?  Isn't that the intent of the guideline at 2.1.1 and 2.1.3 - to make sure that the keyboard user has access to all functionality?


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From: THOMAS,Danny [Danny.Thomas@deewr.gov.au]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 9:05 AM
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Subject: RE: Skip links and keyboard navigation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

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Hi Vivienne,

Then in this case I'd say it's not a 2.1.1. If it's using a HTML anchor tag then it passes 2.1.1 by virtue of sufficient technique H91<http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/H91>.

Since it uses H91, it therefore passes 2.1.1 because H91 is a standalone sufficient technique as per the how to meet 2.1.1 article<http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/#qr-keyboard-operation-keyboard-operable>.

2.4.7 would be an obvious fail though.

Regards,

Danny.

Daniel Thomas
Assistant Director | Web Accessibility Policy Unit
Business Enabling Branch| Technology Solutions Group
Australian Government Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations
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From: Vivienne CONWAY [mailto:v.conway@ecu.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 10:50 AM
To: THOMAS,Danny; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> list
Subject: RE: Skip links and keyboard navigation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

HI Danny

In this case, the keyboard user presses the tab key to start navigating through the page and the skip links don't show when they are tabbed over.  Sometimes they show in the bottom left corner, but not always.

In other words, they are there but hidden, and the keyboard user doesn't know about them because they can't see them.  In this case, they would have to tab through the page to get to the main content for example.

2.4.7. also applies as they don't show focus, but I'm wondering about the keyboard accessibility issue.


Regards

Vivienne L. Conway, B.IT(Hons), MACS CT, AALIA(cs)
PhD Candidate & Sessional Lecturer, Edith Cowan University, Perth, W.A.
Director, Web Key IT Pty Ltd.
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From: THOMAS,Danny [Danny.Thomas@deewr.gov.au]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 8:46 AM
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Subject: RE: Skip links and keyboard navigation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

UNCLASSIFIED
Hi Vivienne,

This needs a little more context. Can they not access the link or is it just not visible?

If the link can technically receive focus and it's just not made obvious, then it's a 2.4.7 not a 2.1.1.

Regards,

Danny.

Daniel Thomas
Assistant Director | Web Accessibility Policy Unit
Business Enabling Branch| Technology Solutions Group
Australian Government Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations
Phone (02) 6240 2533| Fax (02) 6257 3290 | Mobile 0448 472 240

From: Vivienne CONWAY [mailto:v.conway@ecu.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 10:29 AM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> list
Subject: Skip links and keyboard navigation

Hi all

I thought I'd pass this issue past the experts in this group for your opinion.

This issue involves skip links that do not appear with keyboard activation - in other words dont' show focus either all the time or with keyboard focus.

Obviously if they are there and hidden, the screen reader user still hears them, but the keyboard only user does not receive that benefit and has to tab throughout the whole page to get to the main content.

G202: Ensuring keyboard control for all functionality which covers 2.1.1 and 2.1.3 says "The objective of this technique is to provide keyboard operation for all the functionality (defined as processes and outcomes achievable through user action) of the page."  In this case (when the keyboarder can't access the skip links), it would appear they can't have keyboard operation for all the functionality of the page.  What keyboarders can't do is to access the skip links, which really benefits a keyboard only user as they can't skip the multitude of navigational links.

Would you agree that this fails 2.1.1 when the keyboard operation doesn't activate the skip links, which means that it should also fail 2.1.3?


Regards

Vivienne L. Conway, B.IT(Hons), MACS CT, AALIA(cs)
PhD Candidate & Sessional Lecturer, Edith Cowan University, Perth, W.A.
Director, Web Key IT Pty Ltd.
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