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RE: Accessible CSS / JS Bootstrap framework

From: Ian Sharpe <isforums@manx.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 07:29:18 -0000
To: "'Bryan Garaventa'" <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <BF8E976830F34EAFBF3838BAE61E1B2A@BLACKBOX>
Thanks Brian and Steve for these suggestions. However, I was really after a
framework which also includes layouts and the notion of a theme rather than
specifically an accessible widget library. 

I do obviously appreciate that it is entirely possible to create such a
thing based on either of the widget toolkits you suggest, or jQuery UI for
example which also seems to incorporate accessibility to some degree, but I
was hoping that by including a default theme or style as well, it could
significantly reduce the burden on authors to understand anything about

Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing in general is perhaps a subject
for another thread, but on the whole, if an author could simply create a UI
using html and CSS classes which the framework turns into something visually
appealing then it is worth investigating. 

Obviously I understand that the author still needs to create the content and
mark it up using the appropriate styles etc, as well as design the site in
such a way that it makes sense, but if they didn't have to worry about
whether for example a date picker is accessible and just added a
"datepicker" class to a textbox or whatever to produce an accessible date
picker, that would certainly be helpful. And obviously the end result is a
reasonable looking, visually appealing site.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Garaventa [mailto:bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com] 
Sent: 07 November 2012 00:11
To: Ian Sharpe; 'David Woolley'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Accessible CSS / JS Bootstrap framework

I have had some recent experience with Twitter Bootstrap, in addition to
Backbone.js, and others, as part of the Readium project I was working on,
and there were definite accessibility issues that I had to program around.

If you are interested in a web toolkit and framework that I am positive is
accessible, you are welcome to use AccDC at http://whatsock.com/ Which is
fully WCAG2.0 and Section-508 compliant out of the box.

It was recently awarded the Above and Beyond Accessibility Award from the
United States Department of Labor, who performed their own analysis for 508
accessibility as well.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Sharpe" <isforums@manx.net>
To: "'David Woolley'" <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Accessible CSS / JS Bootstrap framework

> Hi David
> Apologies for the unspecific nature of the query but the reason I ask is
> because I've just spent a while googling for an accessible equivilent to
> twitter's bootstrap with no joy myself.
> My understanding is that such frameworks provide layouts and widgets 
> through
> a combination of CSS and JS which simplify the development of a web-based
> UI. If anyone knows the correct name for such things that might be helpful
> but this isn't anything particularly new and I was hoping that somebody 
> may
> be aware of an accessible equivilent.
> I've already noticed a few other similar frameworks, most based on 
> twitter's
> bootstrap gaining favor and feel this could help in terms of 
> accessibility.
> If something like bootstrap continues to gain traction and could be made
> fully accessible, then it is likely, although by no means certain, that
> those who use it directly or build upon it will also be accessible. Best 
> of
> all, the users don't need to know anything about accessibility.
> Obviously there is more to accessibility than simply ensuring that a site 
> is
> accessible in any conventional sense but this would seem to be an
> interesting development from an accessibility point of view.
> Cheers
> Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Woolley [mailto:forums@david-woolley.me.uk]
> Sent: 06 November 2012 23:18
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Accessible CSS / JS Bootstrap framework
> Ian Sharpe wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a fully accessible CSS / JS bootstrap framework
>> similar to twitter bootstrap for example please? Or is twitter
>> bootstrap itself fully accessible?
> I hadn't come across the term before, so I googled it.  It doesn't appear 
> to
> be generic term, but simply part of the name of the "twitter"
> product.  If that is right, you need to provide a generic definition.
> Unfortunately, the Wikipedia article didn't enlighten me as to the 
> defining
> characteristics.  In particular, I couldn't find any description of how it
> constrained, or for that matter, abused, HTML.
> The Wikipedia example didn't appear to accessible, but I don't know if 
> that
> is because it allows bad practice or forces it (I was looking at how it 
> used
> label).  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Bootstrap>
> I would suspect pages don't work well CPU load) on older PCs, but it is
> possible they degrade well when the scripting is disabled.
> --
> David Woolley
> Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want.
> RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, 
> that
> is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work.
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