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RE: [w3c-wai-ig] <none>

From: Vivienne CONWAY <v.conway@ecu.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:39:13 +0800
To: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <coordina@sidar.org>, "'Jonathan Avila'" <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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Hi all

I totally agree with Emanuelle - let's try to be as inclusive as possible.  After all, we are after 'best practice'.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around scoring for this label question when I'm doing quantitative analysis using a WCAG 2.0 checklist.

Let's try to understand this:
If a form, such as a search box, has no label, or title then it fails 1.3.1 (ST H44)., 2.4.6, 3.3.2.  and 4.1.2 (because the connection (which isn't there) is not programatically determinable)
If it has a title, I've been following this discussion and it would seem to pass 1.3.1. as H65 uses title attribute as a ST
If there is a label and it's not programatically determinable ("label for"), then it passes 2.4.6. (ST G131),  and 3.3.2. (ST H44) but not 1.3.1. or 4.1.2.
Also, if there is a title only, then it would fail 4.1.2. as the title relationship to the form is not programatically determinable.

Is that right, or have I missed something here?  I'm always open to correction.


Vivienne L. Conway, B.IT(Hons)
PhD Candidate & Sessional Lecturer, Edith Cowan University, Perth, W.A.
Director, Web Key IT Pty Ltd.
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From: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo [coordina@sidar.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 10:09 AM
To: 'Jonathan Avila'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: [w3c-wai-ig] <none>

Hi Jonathan and all,

I feel that is not a "conservative view" but an "inclusive" view.
Accessibility is for all.

All the best,

Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo
Directora de la Fundación Sidar
Coordinadora del Seminario SIDAR
email: coordina@sidar.org / emmanuelle@sidar.org

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Jonathan Avila [mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com]
Enviado el: martes, 13 de diciembre de 2011 1:36
Para: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Asunto: RE: [w3c-wai-ig] <none>

[Ramon wrote] Ok, Let's say that you are a keyboard-only, sighted user. You
get to a form to edit contact information, with fields for "fixed phone",
"mobile phone" and "fax". Since you are editing existing data, the
placeholder text is not there, so there is no visual label.

I agree - a conservative view would indicate a visual label that is always
present or that is keyboard accessibly displayed would need to be present to
meet 3.3.2.


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