- From: David Woolley <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>
- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:39:43 +0100
- To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Wayne Dick wrote: > > A second dimension of typographic access is the ability to change > style at the document element level. The user preferences at the > platform level do not cover the range of document elements found in > real written expositions. Without a template for user preferences, > similar to style sheets or templates found in good word processor, the Whilst word processors (and as far as the business world is concerned, there is really only one brand left, even if that brand really contains more than one product) may provide the building blocks for semantic markup, my experience, mainly of in house documents, is that they are less likely to get used than those in HTML. This feeds through into PDF, as the only way that semantically valid PDF is likely to get produced is if the revisable form was a semantically marked up Word document. I would think that the number of people who manually tag PDF is vanishingly small. > Some for-profit proprietary format lack the ability to exceed the > inadequate one-dimensional access of Draft 508 409.2. Their user > agents do not provide one to one access to the typography document > elements, and nobody has attempted to approach the problem. Taking PDF as the archetypal such product (although noting that it now can be made to hold the deep structure, even if the standard client doesn't expose it), its original selling point was that it did reproduce the exact design and typography of the document. This points the deepest problem, which is that commercial document authors want that, because they believe it establishes branding, and possibly more important, that the presentation of the document has more influence on the consumers than the words that it contains. PDF and presentational HTML are doing what the market want; one has to distort the market, possibly with legislation, to change this. For advertising copy in particular, presentation gives the opportunity to put across messages that would not be allowed if clearly written and marked up in the text, as they make associations with the product which are not actually true of the product. They can also be used to de-emphasise the small print. I believe TB-L's original HTML concept actually came from a rejection of that market; there is an early document that says there is no place for colour markup. It also addresses market wants to have locked down documents, where consumers cannot access the basic contents other than visually, or as linear text. Although MSAA type access has been added, it does create a conflict in that it provides tools that make plagiarism easier. I actually think that tagged PDF has the potential to be a much better semantic markup language than HTML/CSS, as it starts with the point of view that presentation is the most important thing, which is what the authoring market really wants, then adds the semantics, whereas HTML's stress on semantics results in authors working out ways to abuse it in order to achieve the presentation they want. My concerns are that the W3C is moving increasingly to pandering to the market that wanted PDF (or more accurately, Flash), and has almost lost the semantic document origins. HTML5 won over XHTML, because it allows relatively untrained authors to produce documents that look the same on all graphical browsers, and its ability to create dynamic documents, which, although not mentioned here must make it very difficult for low vision readers to manipulate the style adequately. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work.
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