- From: Jim Tobias <tobias@inclusive.com>
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 06:08:19 -0400
- To: "'Roger Hudson'" <rhudson@usability.com.au>, "'Gregg Vanderheiden'" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "'Felix Miata'" <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
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Roger, this is great stuff - your study deserves wider distribution; I hope more studies will come along to elaborate the important points you make about user behavior when confronted by barriers. It also illuminates the argument over text resizing widgets; the con side, as I understand it, being that users should be encouraged to use their browser controls instead. Maybe so, but how to encourage them? Widgets have the advantage of being discoverable right there on the screen. You seem to be saying that the real problem with underadoption of accessibility solutions is not the solutions themselves, but either the understandable reluctance of many users to recognize and address the barrier they're encountering (not meaning to be condescending here), or the difficulty they have in finding and implementing the available solution. I think that's absolutely right, and your suggestions about both increased attention to community awareness and interface personalization tools sound great to me. On the latter, you're probably aware of the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure (GPII - http://gpii.net). The advantage of GPII's approach - using a cloud-based profile to personalize every interface the user encounters - is that it facilitates this personalization automatically, having once collected the optimal interface needs and preferences from the user via a wizard. *** Jim Tobias Inclusive Technologies +1.908.907.2387 v/sms skype jimtobias From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Roger Hudson Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:46 PM To: 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; 'Felix Miata' Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: RE: Success criteria 1.4.4 The question of text resize I think is very interesting. Late last year, I interviewed 31 web users over the age of 60. Nearly half of these people said they found the size of text on web pages a problem at least some of the time. When asked if they knew how to change the size of text on the page, 12 participants (39%) indicated they could use either browser zoom tools or text resize. In other words, well over half had no idea what to do and some can up with most imaginative strategies, the most common being to copy the content into a word document and then increase the size with that. Also worth noting, most participants said they had never seen on-page text resize tools before and only 2 mentioned they had ever used them. Most information about this study is available in the slides and transcript of a presentation I gave at CSUN http://www.dingoaccess.com/accessibility/improving-web-accessibility-for-the -elderly-csun-slides-and-transcript/ Regards Roger Hudson From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 12:31 AM To: Felix Miata Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Re: Success criteria 1.4.4 Hi WCAG doesn't require zoom. It only requires what is stated in the Success Criterion. Please do not mistake any technique as a requirement. Techniques are always just "one way of doing it". Sufficient techniques are just one way that the WG has judged would meet the SC. The only thing ever required is exactly what is stated in the SC. In this case 1.4.4 Resize text: Except for <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#captionsdef> captions and <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#images-of-textdef> images of text, <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#textdef> text can be resized without <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#atdef> assistive technology up to 200 percent without loss of content or functionality. (Level AA) Relying on zoom would indeed allow you to meet this provision -- but it is not the best practice. The ability to enlarge text and have it reflow is much more desirable. Zoom cannot be used to meet 1.4.8 though (except if all text blocks on the page are less than 1/2 the page width). For any text that is more than 1/2 page width - it would require the ability to enlarge text that reflows. 1.4.8 Visual Presentation: For the visual presentation of <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#blockstextdef> blocks of text, a <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#mechanismdef> mechanism is available to achieve the following: (Level AAA) 1. Foreground and background colors can be selected by the user. 2. Width is no more than 80 characters or glyphs (40 if CJK). 3. Text is not justified (aligned to both the left and the right margins). 4. Line spacing (leading) is at least space-and-a-half within paragraphs, and paragraph spacing is at least 1.5 times larger than the line spacing. 5. Text can be resized without assistive technology up to 200 percent in a way that does not require the user to scroll horizontally to read a line of text <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#fullscreenwindowdef> on a full-screen window. <http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/#qr-visual-audio-contrast-visual-pres entation> How to Meet 1.4.8 | <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-visual- presentation.html> Understanding 1.4.8 Gregg -------------------------------------------------------- Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D. Director Trace R&D Center Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International and the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure Project http://Raisingthefloor.org --- http://GPII.net On Aug 18, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/08/18 15:35 (GMT+0200) Harry Loots composed: Some users need to zoom, because the *default* size is not suffciently large enough for them to comfortably read the words For the vast majority of users this is true only until they suitably personalize their own browser's default size, which is something expected as part of the process of personalizing personal computing devices. Zoom needs to work, but its need shouldn't be induced by the design itself, such as by setting a sub-100% text size on the body or setting 62.5% on body and bringing the size back up to less than the browser's default on P or other prime content text. WCAG should frown upon deviating a page's base size from browser defaults, promoting sizing that is limited to conventional contextual uses. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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