- From: Jim Tobias <tobias@inclusive.com>
- Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:46:01 -0400
- To: "'Karl Groves'" <karl@karlgroves.com>, <accessys@smart.net>
- Cc: "'John Foliot'" <jfoliot@stanford.edu>, "'EmbedPlus'" <ext@embedplus.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <0b3801cc5cd3$3dcaaf90$b9600eb0$@inclusive.com>
I'll pile on here - poor EmbedPlus people - only to say that Lynx is to blindness as TTY is to deafness: a solution that used to be the only viable one, but now has been joined by so many mainstream solutions that the real problem now is figuring out which solution works best for which person, trying to accomplish what, in what circumstances, and getting the word out to consumers and others. One more point - almost nothing is as de-motivating for mainstream developers and marketers than to hear edge cases that are being presented as life-or-death scenarios. *** Jim Tobias Inclusive Technologies +1.908.907.2387 v/sms skype jimtobias From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Karl Groves Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 7:09 AM To: accessys@smart.net Cc: John Foliot; EmbedPlus; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Re: Web video accessibility I think you may misunderstand the meaning of "lowest common denominator", specifically the operative word "common". Lynx is very definitely not common among the PWD that I know, and for obvious reasons: there's a lot better stuff out there, both free and non-free. Your arguments in support of FOSS which you attempt to claim is due to poverty rates of PWDs are unsubstantiated by anything more than simple conjecture and is still not an effective argument for Lynx as the lowest common denominator. If you can supply hard data which substantiates any claims that Lynx is widely used by PWDs, please share it because I'm genuinely interested. Looking back at lifetime analytics on my sites shows Lynx usage at 0.0%. Karl On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:16 PM, <accessys@smart.net> wrote: we've been arguing since the web was a single spider. I made it clear that I was testing with lowest common denominator. I didn't say I routinely run lynx, but many do. have firefox and all the others you mention...plus ORCA and EmacSpeak Open-Source soap-box and rail your fist at the audacity of software www.fsf.org That truly depends on how you a) measure "access" and accessible, and b) what your expectations of web content is. 25 years ago (when there was no "web"; the World Wide Web celebrating its 20th anniversary this month - August 6, 1991*) you had text-based systems such as UseNet or IRC, but history and science march on, and today we have was using arapanet via Westinghouse Aerospace in 1973.....on a UNIVAC 1108 nuff said. Bob
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