- From: Jamal Mazrui <Jamal.Mazrui@fcc.gov>
- Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:29:21 -0400
- To: <richard@userite.com>, "Andrew Kirkpatrick" <akirkpat@adobe.com>
- Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
I agree, and think that a heading where the main content of the page starts is more effective than a skip navigation link. In fact, my experience with SkipNav links has had surprisingly mixed results -- whether with a different screen reader, different version of the same screen reader, or an apparently different HTML coding technique that another web site uses. It works as intended sometimes, but other times does not skip ahead, or even worse, reloads the virtual buffer of the screen reader, returning focus to the top. Jamal -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Warren Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:15 AM To: Andrew Kirkpatrick Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: RE: on headings, labels, links, and image maps 1) When using a screenreader I can jump up and down a well constructed page quite easily by going to the next or previous heading. If the headings are not nested properly I start to wonder if I have missed something and have to go into virtual focus to read all the surrounding text. So for me "should" is a pretty imperative should. 2) Guidelines are just that - guidelines. If you have a very good reason not to nest headings properly, and can at the same time ensure that the reading sequence is logical, then fair enough. But I would love to see an example of where this has been achieved. Richard http:www.userite.com On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 11:47 -0700, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote: > 1) Headings - yes you are correct, level A requires coded headings so > that blind users can get an overview of teh page and jump to sections > of interest by listing the headings. Level AA requires these headings > to be nested correctly (ie form a logical semantic structure) > > I did a bit of fact-checking to answer my own question: > Headings do not need to be nested properly to comply with WCAG 2.0. This is desirable, but not required. If you look at the How To Meet information for SC 2.4.10 (2.4.10 Section Headings: Section headings are used to organize the content. (Level AAA)) you'll see the note below: > > "In HTML, this would be done using the HTML heading elements (h1, h2, > h3, h4, h5, and h6). These allow user agents to automatically identify section headings. Other technologies use other techniques for identifying headers. To facilitate navigation and understanding of overall document structure, authors should use headings that are properly nested (e.g., h1 followed by h2, h2 followed by h2 or h3, h3 f followed by h3 or h4, etc.)." > > Note the "should" - it doesn't say "must". That's my take on it... > AWK
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