- From: T. V. Raman <tvraman@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:49:35 -0800
- To: accessys@smart.net
- Cc: jim@jimthatcher.com, wai-ig@cookiecrook.com, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, wrwilliams@fs.fed.us
Actually, try that URL
> This (http://tinyurl.com/3tx3q) is a wonderful example of a
complex table
in Emacspeak using W3, and play with the various alternative
display choices using XSL
>>>>> "Access" == Access Systems <accessys@smart.net> writes:
Access> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Jim Thatcher wrote:
Access>
>>
> This (http://tinyurl.com/3tx3q) is a wonderful example of a
>> complex table and it is remarkably well coded - as far as
>> JAWS is concerned.
Access>
Access> but this is rendered horribly in LYNX using
Access> emacspeak.
Access>
Access> it is title, then long lines of numbers with no
Access> rationale form or pattern that can be decerned
Access>
>> Other than that omission, JAWS reads this table
>> perfectly. That amazes me; I have assumed up until now,
>> that that you should use TH (with/without scope) OR use
>> headers/id markup, but not both. This uses both and it
>> works well - for JAWS.
Access>
Access> there are other screen readers than JAWS and there
Access> are other operating systems besides M$
Access>
>> Even though JAWS reads the row headings automatically
>> (because they are in column 1), I think this sample table
>> should have TH, scope=row, on all the
Access>
Access> in LYNX there are no rows or columns just a mess of
Access> raw datum
Access>
>> > Access Systems wrote: >> no and it is because (at least
>> in Linux/LYNX)...
>> >
>> > haven't looked too hard at that page's markup, but
>> assuming that it is > correct (properly defined headings,
>> scope, etc), is the problem you're > describing not one of
>> the user agent (in this case lynx) rather than > the page
>> author?
>>
>> I think you've nailed it Patrick; that's why I asked what
>> user agent Bob was using when he experienced the
>> problem. Now that we know it's Lynx, I'm not surprised he
>> had trouble with a data table.
Access>
Access> but LYNX is a popular TEXT web browser and it is
Access> current not obsolete tech.
Access>
>> To follow on the 'correct markup' comment, he uses a
>> technique I haven't seen before. Scope is used
>> appropriately for most of the cells, and headers/ID is
>> added on a few of the cells. I've only used these
>> techniques independently (either all scope, or all
>> headers/ID) but not both combined. I'm on a Mac at home
>> and haven't had a chance to test this at work yet, but I'd
>> be curious to know if screen readers handled this
>> technique consistently.
Access>
Access> evidently not.
Access>
Access> Bob
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