- From: T. V. Raman <tvraman@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:49:35 -0800
- To: accessys@smart.net
- Cc: jim@jimthatcher.com, wai-ig@cookiecrook.com, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, wrwilliams@fs.fed.us
Actually, try that URL > This (http://tinyurl.com/3tx3q) is a wonderful example of a complex table in Emacspeak using W3, and play with the various alternative display choices using XSL >>>>> "Access" == Access Systems <accessys@smart.net> writes: Access> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Jim Thatcher wrote: Access> >> > This (http://tinyurl.com/3tx3q) is a wonderful example of a >> complex table and it is remarkably well coded - as far as >> JAWS is concerned. Access> Access> but this is rendered horribly in LYNX using Access> emacspeak. Access> Access> it is title, then long lines of numbers with no Access> rationale form or pattern that can be decerned Access> >> Other than that omission, JAWS reads this table >> perfectly. That amazes me; I have assumed up until now, >> that that you should use TH (with/without scope) OR use >> headers/id markup, but not both. This uses both and it >> works well - for JAWS. Access> Access> there are other screen readers than JAWS and there Access> are other operating systems besides M$ Access> >> Even though JAWS reads the row headings automatically >> (because they are in column 1), I think this sample table >> should have TH, scope=row, on all the Access> Access> in LYNX there are no rows or columns just a mess of Access> raw datum Access> >> > Access Systems wrote: >> no and it is because (at least >> in Linux/LYNX)... >> > >> > haven't looked too hard at that page's markup, but >> assuming that it is > correct (properly defined headings, >> scope, etc), is the problem you're > describing not one of >> the user agent (in this case lynx) rather than > the page >> author? >> >> I think you've nailed it Patrick; that's why I asked what >> user agent Bob was using when he experienced the >> problem. Now that we know it's Lynx, I'm not surprised he >> had trouble with a data table. Access> Access> but LYNX is a popular TEXT web browser and it is Access> current not obsolete tech. Access> >> To follow on the 'correct markup' comment, he uses a >> technique I haven't seen before. Scope is used >> appropriately for most of the cells, and headers/ID is >> added on a few of the cells. I've only used these >> techniques independently (either all scope, or all >> headers/ID) but not both combined. I'm on a Mac at home >> and haven't had a chance to test this at work yet, but I'd >> be curious to know if screen readers handled this >> technique consistently. Access> Access> evidently not. Access> Access> Bob Access> Access> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Access> CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see Access> http://expita.com/nomime.html Access> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Access> Access> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a Access> little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor Access> safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - Access> - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO Access> HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys@smartnospam.net NO Access> MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO Access> attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a Access> civil right Access> *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# Access> THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and Access> may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the Access> individual or entity named Access> -- Best Regards, --raman ------------------------------------------------------------ T. V. Raman: PhD (Cornell University) IBM Research: Human Language Technologies Architect: RDC --- Conversational And Multimodal WWW Standards Phone: 1 (408) 927 2608 T-Line 457-2608 Fax: 1 (408) 927 3012 Cell: 1 650 799 5724 Email: tvraman@us.ibm.com WWW: http://almaden.ibm.com/u/tvraman AIM: emacspeak GPG: http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/tvraman/raman-almaden.asc Snail: IBM Almaden Research Center, 650 Harry Road San Jose 95120
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