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Re: Fwd: Avalon?

From: david poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:11:12 -0400
Message-ID: <003701c54b3b$59ef0f00$6501a8c0@DAVIDPC>
To: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net>, "John Foliot - WATS.ca" <foliot@wats.ca>
Cc: "W3c-Wai-Ig" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

every thing that has not been releasedsounds like a better solution than is 
currently available.  My fear is that in orderto make things accessible to 
the next gen of windows,we'll have to break even more the cross platform 

Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net>
To: "John Foliot - WATS.ca" <foliot@wats.ca>
Cc: "W3c-Wai-Ig" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: Fwd: Avalon?

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, John Foliot - WATS.ca wrote:

> Access Systems wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Madeleine Rothberg wrote:
> >
> > how can this possibly meet the W3C/WAI guidelines or most countries
> > accessibility laws which prohibit vendor specific guidelines or rules.
> >
> > Bob
> HUH???  What rules?
> And what do you call MSAA?  Do not confuse API like behaviour with
> applications Bob.

I guess I was lumping em together even though I understand the

> "...The new accessibility model for Windows, UI Automation, is designed to
> provide a single reliable source of UI information to assistive technology
> products and automated test scripts."

true, but too many authors claim thier site is "accessible" when it has
only been tested with windows.

> We know you don't use MS products (sheesh do we know), so this likely will

hey someone has to defend the downtrodden, but I am just as opposed to
stuff that doesn't support windows. or a mac...it is the importance of
cross platform usability that I am concerned with.  I use Open Office as
my office suite, mainly because it is cross platform and I think this is a
very important underlying concept that I fear is being lost, I know it is
lost on many large companies, I spent a long time on the phone with
Verizon last night because their web site was not compatible with any text

> not affect you.

I think we're all here for more than just ourselves, I was sort of
recruited to join this site because they didn't have enough non windows
users putting in their two centavos.

>  But for developers of Windows based applications, it sounds
> like a "new and improved" method of accessing UI information... Sounds
> vaguely like DOM type behaviour to me (but I ain't no expert...)

and that is good, just as long as they realize that just passing the
windows test does not make it compatible or legal.....


> JF
> --
> John Foliot  foliot@wats.ca
> Web Accessibility Specialist / Co-founder of WATS.ca
> Web Accessibility Testing and Services
> http://www.wats.ca
> Phone: 1-613-267-1983 / 1-866-932-4878 (North America)

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