- From: Juan Ulloa <julloa@bcc.ctc.edu>
- Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 11:23:16 -0700
- To: Stephani Roberts Lincoln <stephani@MIT.EDU>, Jim Thatcher <jim@jimthatcher.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
I usually hide my skip to content link through CSS and send the link off the
screen.
#skipnav{
position: absolute;
left: -1000px;
width: 990px;
font-size: 1px;
line-height: 1;
}
Here is an example page of where I used this:
http://www.bcc.ctc.edu/catalog/
Hopefully this works on a screen reader. Let me know if it doesn't.
Juan C. Ulloa
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephani Roberts Lincoln [mailto:stephani@MIT.EDU]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:43 AM
> To: Jim Thatcher; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: "Blind for a Day" - visibility: hidden vs none
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for testing this. So, as far you know, is there a safe way to hide
> something visually in CSS but have it visible to a screen reader? We have
> a
> number of web applications that are for financial folks here at MIT and
> the
> developers are always looking for a clever way to give cues to screen
> reader users that may not be necessary for sighted users, mainly because
> the extra information creates additional "noise" in these apps -- many of
> which are already jam packed with information.
>
> thanks,
> steph
>
> At 11:25 AM 5/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Steph,
> >
> >I am using JAWS 4.51 and for me visibility:hidden hides the text from
> JAWS.
> >Visibility:none is not valid style but display:none is. Display:none
> hides
> >the text from JAWS for me. Both Visibility:hidden and display:none hide
> the
> >text from both Window-Eyes (4.5) and HPR (3.02) as well. My test file is
> >http://jimthatcher.com/test/visibility.htm. Bottom line, both
> >visibility:hidden and display:none hide JAWS, Window-Eyes, and HPR on my
> >machine.
> >
> >Jim
> >Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
> >Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf
> >Of Stephani Roberts Lincoln
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:52 AM
> >To: 'WAI-IG'
> >Subject: RE: "Blind for a Day" - visibility: hidden vs none
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Related to some comments here and screen readers response to visibility:
> >none. With JAWS visibility:hidden works to hide text from the browser
> >display while the screen reader picks up the text and voices it (not
> true
> >of visibility:none). Can anyone tell me if this true for IBM HPR and
> Window
> >Eyes?
> >
> >thanks,
> >Steph
> >
> >
> >At 07:11 PM 5/17/2004 -0500, Jim Thatcher wrote:
> >
> > >Joe,
> > >
> > >It has nothing to do with verbosity settings. His recommendations are
> > >absolutely right on; every one. He did mention putting main content
> near
> >the
> > >top because "the thing I hated the most was having to blast past five
> > >hundred links in a sidebar in order to get to the actual content." I
> am
> > >impressed with how well this guy understood the problems of listening
> to
> >web
> > >content. Very unusual.
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
> > >Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
> >Behalf
> > >Of Joe Clark
> > >Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 1:36 PM
> > >To: WAI-IG
> > >Subject: "Blind for a Day"
> > >
> > >
> > >Bloggeur tries out IBM Home Page Reader and shares tips. He should
> > >learn about verbosity settings, though.
> > >
> > ><http://www.mojombo.com/archives/000034.html>
> > >--
> > >
> > > Joe Clark | joeclark@joeclark.org |
> <http://joeclark.org/access/>
> > > Author, _Building Accessible Websites_ |
> <http://joeclark.org/book/>
> > > Expect criticism if you top-post
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