- From: John Foliot - WATS.ca <foliot@wats.ca>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:47:47 -0400
- To: "W3c-Wai-Ig" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
- Cc: "Jonathan Chetwynd" <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
- Message-ID: <GKEFJJEKDDIMBHJOGLENGEFHDMAA.foliot@wats.ca>
Jonathan, Perhaps instead you should explain why an information access tool (user agent - web browser) should conform to your requirement as a teaching tool / or entertainment delivery vehicle. There are numerous other applications (CD ROMS, MUDS, MSN/AOL/ICQ, WinAmp and all of the CD Player applications which connect to the CDDB, etc.) which leverage the connectivity of the internet to their advantage which do not require web browsers. Why do you insist that these tools be so multi-adaptable to achieve your goal? It's like insisting that my television set also be a microwave oven, so that I can pop popcorn while still watching the football match. Is this a reasonable request? it sure would be neat! (for a laugh, see: http://www.hometoys.com/htinews/jun01/articles/currid/currid.htm - it seems this is no longer being marketed...) I have said it before, and I will say it again... I do not criticize your sincere and insightful attempts to deliver accessible materials to your specific user group. But do not confuse "accessibility" with "web accessibility". If your focus group requires specific interfaces for learning, then create them... do not insist that off the shelf web browsers be the high tech Swiss army knife of the internet. Who exactly, or where exactly, is it stated that web browsers must be universal content delivery mechanisms? And more importantly, should that be their role? I personally would argue no... You state (disabling right-click) "...this must be possible via the browser..." - why? because you say so? Defend this statement. How does removing functionality from some users to benefit others advance universal accessibility, never mind "usability"? If someone is that severely learning disabled, then it would seem to me if the mouse is a problem with the right click, you as an instructor should be helping disable the OS right click, or suggesting a more appropriate input device -- like single button mouse (like a Mac mouse for example?) Asking for a software/hardware application which allowed you to connect and use such a device on a PC would address the same requirement, without impeding the ability for other users *to use* the right click functions available to them on a PC based browser. I for one use them (right clicks) all the time, especially when navigating from page to page in my browser... "right click>> back" is probably the most frequent mouse click I do. Nothing ticks me off more than those feeble attempts by novices to use JavaScript to disable image copying... usually complete with an alert warning me of the copyright. ("View...page source...<img src=..." like, duh!) Often I am asked why developers should implement a specific recommendation when user agents rarely if ever support them. (For example, only one screen reading app will currently switch languages on the fly - IBM HPR). The answer I give is that there must be a reasonable expectation that the users will meet you half way. Blind users must have some form of screen reading application or Braille output tool - I will ensure my content is marked up correctly. People with mobility impairments (who use voice recognition software, puff and sip tools, alternative pointers, etc.) - I will ensure that clickable areas are large enough for them to access, and that my text can scale larger if that aids in the increase of the clickable area; I have even experimented with scalable icons to satisfy this user group. If your particular user group cannot deal with two button mice, then change the tools they have, do not remove accessibility/usability from a web page in their name to the detriment of others. It doesn't wash. And do not insist that the user agents "must" do things simply because it makes some of your efforts easier. Look beyond your trees and see the whole forest... Respectfully -- John Foliot foliot@wats.ca Web Accessibility Specialist / Co-founder of WATS.ca Web Accessibility Testing and Services http://www.wats.ca 1.866.932.4878 (North America) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Chetwynd [mailto:j.chetwynd@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:04 PM To: Charles McCathieNevile; John WATS.ca Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Re: Head in the sand, driving a car Please explain: How can a novice computer user, who is independently learning to use a mouse with great difficulty, disable right clicking using the OS? Assuming it is possible, then we would need to show the user how to do it, assuming that the user has the cognitive ability, which in fact they don't in this instance. This is similar to insisting that the driver has to learn how an engine works before driving. Usually any instructor creates environments suited to individual needs and abilities to motivate and encourage progression. If the instructor is not present then this must be possible via the browser, unless you allow direct access to the OS which is frequently considered undesirable. In this instance javascript provides a great solution. Perhaps John or Chaals could provide a written description of how they believe an accessible version should behave. Alternatively one could argue that these training materials should be provided with the application. It seems there is some fundamental misunderstanding here, work-arounds are essential in all walks of life. Jonathan On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 02:22 am, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: they should expect to remove a work-around because the manufacturers have tuned their software better
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