- From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
- Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:09:02 -0400 (EDT)
- To: Jim Ley <jim@jibbering.com>
- cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Jim Ley wrote: let's add one more variable to this mess, many computer users, especially among the less economically endowed (that was a "bad" one eh?) many of these folks and school children use common or multi user computers, the library use a permanent link to the internet around here, so how would you know what any individual using this computer actually needed. I can go to the library, toggle into text and use the computer without any hassle, bring only what I actually need for adaptation. Bob > "SHARPE, Ian" <Ian.SHARPE@cambridge.sema.slb.com> wrote in message > news:FA94B04D5981D211B86800A0C9EA2841011422E3@cames1.sema.co.uk... > > > What information should be contained in your profile? This should > contain > > any access technology installed, browser configuration (eg colours/font > > sizes, user stylesheet in use), OS display/screen configuration, and > user > > preferences. This could be created by any or all of the browser, access > > technology, manually by the user or even the OS. A simple text file > (XML) > > could easily be maintained for this purpose. Since there is no personal > > information I can't see any problems with storage or abuse of civil > > liberties. This actually tells you nothing about the user themself, > simply > > how the system is configured. > > I can't agree that it tells you nothing about the user, it tells you a > huge amount about the user and almost all of it is things that I do not > wish websites to know about me. Even if I'm completely anonymous when I > first visit the site, as soon as I do any interaction (register/purchase > etc.) then I'm immediately "known", and the AT technology installed would > appear to very well indicate information I may not want people to > automatically know. > > Also your examples above are all about the configuration and the browser > environment not the preferences of a user, how do I configure my browser > to say I have red/green colour blindness, how do I say I find flickering > at 3hz annoying but 10hz fine, how do I say I prefer text content unless > it's the image is photographic and what is the server supposed to do with > all this fine grained information. If we give the users access to all > the content we've got, the user can decide (by configuration of their > UA) how they access that content - How can some server who's never met > the user, knows only a tiny amount about them, know what's best for the > user? > > How is a server supposed to know what to give a UA/AT combination it > doesn't know about, do UA's have to be registered, or were you thinking > of a complete UA description language - if not we'll run into the exact > issue we've already got with the server making decisions on what the > browser claims to be - currently in the HTTP_USER_AGENT string - the UA's > will be forced to lie otherwise they won't get content appropriate to > their UA. This degrading of the information will make the information > worthless as HTTP_UA already is. > > Also, far from using the information to provide accessible content it can > be used as an argument not to provide accessible content online. > Providers can choose to build for a single environment, safe in the > knowledge that they can reliably identify people and tell them "Phone ... > for the service" or however they wan't to (claim they) provide the > service to users. Accessibility also becomes a much harder "sell", > because the management can genuinely claim that all their users can see > images (why bother with ALT and LONGDESC, look we know they don't need > it) > > > The use of meta tags for this purpose could be included in the > guidelines > > and even used to possibly promete the above desing model as best > practice? > > As government policy throughout the world adopt similar approaches to > the > > US, rather than "gettosing" accessible sites I this "categorisation" > could > > actually do the opposite. It could almost become a kind of kyte mark > and a > > sign of quality. All users prefer to use clear and clean sites and > would use > > them in preferrence to cluttered and unclear content. > > This appears to be describing something very different to previously, > this is about their being machine-readable claims about the accessibility > of a resource, and in what way it fails, as we know most users don't care > if a resource is WCAG AAA or not, they care if _they_ can access the > content, and a fine grained vocabulary for describing how accessible a > document is, is very useful. > > Jim > > > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys@smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named above. 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