- From: <Mary.Dunlop@visionaustralia.org.au>
- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:24:12 +1000
- To: charles@w3.org
- Cc: Danny Ayers <danny666@virgilio.it>, W3c-Wai-Ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org
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I agree Charles - there are no standards. However, given the level of complexity around the delivery of internet systems (both web sites and email. ie RFC's - 50 years old) , the internet has been implemented across multiple operating systems (that have been developed to respond to a user need). The question is - Why is there still an excuse for non standard control keys in different operating systems and different software applications? (punch cards in manufacturing were developed to translate patterns to weaving looms) The "user" base requires and needs conformity - people use specific technology for their daily activities. IT developers/programmers need standards to deliver systems (operating and application systems). The user base (our clients), operate phone systems (digital /analogue), operating systems and/or specific software applications (with different numeric keypads, reverse numeric keypads on calculators, digital phone numeric keypads, mode shift keys on laptops to change the functions( keyboards display a third level to allow you to access phonetic / pronunciation tags - for language based requirements). Character maps in software systems are available to represent centuries of knowledge, language and numeric infomation. Why is it that IT professionals still argue that they are special and should not conform to a user based methodology and understanding?? At the end of the day - as we are all aware - the user pays for a service. This demand is for all people using an interface to information systems to have an intuitive access their work/home environment . Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> Sent by: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org 27-07-02 01:38 AM To: Danny Ayers <danny666@virgilio.it> cc: W3c-Wai-Ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> Subject: Re: standard key mappings In my experience these things are application-specific. Some of the more widespread applications have widespread standards - MacOS introduced command-C, command-X and command-V many years ago, and some variation of this is now pretty common on non-unix systems (which tend to use shift-delete, shift-insert or control-c, control-w, control-y). Beyond that, it seems pretty hard to get unification. It now seems to make more sense to me having configurations based on existing conventions (making up yet another one is a terrible sin that I too have committed) - provide a layer of indirection so you can call stuff via na abstract interface layer, then describe a mappping to it. (This way you can easily define an emacs-like mapping, an Opera-like mapping, and a voice-control mapping...) Cheers Chaals On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Danny Ayers wrote: > >Hi, > >Does anyone know of a list of reasonably standard mappings between keyboard >actions & program behaviour? I can get the stuff like Ctrl-c for 'copy' etc >from nosing around existing applications, but there are one or two things I >can't find (e.g. switching between a framed window view & full-screen). I've >spent a while searching, but all I've found so far have been >application-specific. > >Cheers, >Danny. > >--- >Danny Ayers ><stuff> http://www.isacat.net </stuff> > >Idea maps for the Semantic Web >http://www.isacat.net/ideagraph > -- Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 409 134 136 W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI fax: +33 4 92 38 78 22 Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia (or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France)
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