- From: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
- Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:29:04 -0400
- To: "Steven McCaffrey" <SMCCAFFR@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
- Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Both good news and bad news are informative. It would help to have examples of what works and also of what doesn't work. You and David seem to believe that we still need explanatory text, or at least some text, in the edit boxes for best practice at the moment. This is an "until user agents" provision in the WCAG. So for objectivity and consensus, it helps to know what the actual user agents do with actual pages. To sell this to web authors as the general rule of what to do, it helps to have chapter and verse documentation explaining in what situations alternatives don't work. Target page, OS, Browser, Screen reader with versions. It helps. Al At 11:15 AM 2001-05-31 -0400, you wrote: >Hello Charles: > > Good question. I don't want to generalize, so let me just give an example that does work. The example in section 11.2 of the >HTML Techniques for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 works fine. I hear >"First name colon edit" >then I hit tab and hear: >"Last name colon edit" >which is fine. >The snipet for the first name is: > > <LABEL for="firstname">First name: </LABEL> > <INPUT type="text" id="firstname" tabindex="1"> > >Note my comments above are not about grouping form controls which is the main point of 11.2. I am just commenting on the label element. > > >Steve > > >>>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 09:50AM >>> >If they have labels (using the label element) does this improve things? > >Charles McCN > >On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote: > > Hi Charles: > > > I'm using JFW 3.31. I will just hear "edit". > > Steve > > >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 08:43AM >>> > Thanks Steven, Dave. > > Can you please explain what software you're using, and what happens? > > cheers > > Chaals > > On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote: > Hello: > I agree with David in that it is still an issue. The consequence is > that I will hear only "Edit" but will not know what type of information is requested. > > Steve McCaffrey > Information Technology Services > NYSED > >>> "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com> 05/31/01 07:49AM >>> > it is still an issue although many have solved it. even though you have > to rub the text out, it is best to have something telling you where to > write because some renderings still confuse labels with edit boxes. > > ----- Original Message ----- > ... > > the rationale for this one was that there were assistive technology and > browser combinations that would skip over empty form controls. I am not > certain, but I believe that this is no longer an issue. I will ask the > Web Content Accessibility Guidelines group to address this question as > fast as possible. > > > >-- >Charles McCathieNevile <http://www.w3.org/People/Charles>http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 409 134 136 >W3C Web Accessibility Initiative <http://www.w3.org/WAI>http://www.w3.org/WAI fax: +1 617 258 5999 >Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia >(or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France) >
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