- From: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org>
- Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:12:48 -0400
- To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>, Bruce Bailey <bbailey@clark.net>
- Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, jpledger@mindspring.com, Marjolein Katsma <access@javawoman.com>
- Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000407164642.00c747d0@pop3.concentric.net>
After looking at Charles' response and thinking about what he and Bruce are saying, I've got a proposal for a more general concept of focus. (which is probably not original... see the P.S.) First point: "focus" is really keyboard focus. "mouseover" is really mouse focus. Here's why. What does it mean for a object to get what we call "focus"? It means it will respond to keypresses on the keyboard. So a better name would be "Keyboard focus". And what does it mean for an object to get mouseover? It means first of all that the object will respond to a keypress on a key on the mouse. (I mean the actual buttons on the mouse, not their keyboard equivalents). So a good name would be "Mouse focus". Now you might say there's more to mouseover that just mousefocus... it can trigger some other event like a popup. But the same holds true for keyboard focus. For example, receiving keyboard focus could trigger a prompt appearing somewhere (which I haven't noticed on the web, but which I remember from dumb terminal interfaces in the late 20th century). So "focus" is really keyboard focus and "mouseover" is really mouse focus They are strictly analogous and independent. So we need a way to change mouse focus independently of keyboard focus. And without actually moving a mouse. For example, we could define "mouse tab index" for element which would step mouse focus through all elements with those indices defined. Furthermore, we should keep this general. Current computers mostly have just two independent devices with keys... a mouse and a single keyboard. But you could have, say, an extra numerical keypad, and I could imagine situations where it would be convenient for the keypad focus to be different from the focus of the main keyboard. Also (now don't laugh) there can be interfaces with two pointing devices. There was work on that at Xerox Parc some years back I believe, for two handed interfaces which were really rather cool. So there we have it: we need a general concept of focus(device) where device can be one of some arbitrary number of devices. Some devices may have keys... others would not. And it must be possible to move any of the focuses independently to any object that responds to them, and with or without vision. Len p.s. Now that I've said all this I have a distinct feeling of deja vu... that I've just reconstructed an old input model... maybe an old SunOS ...except that I've added the need for a keyboard equivalent... if someone recognizes this please speak up so we can give it it's proper name... -- Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D. Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and Department of Electrical Engineering Temple University 423 Ritter Annex, Philadelphia, PA 19122 kasday@acm.org http://astro.temple.edu/~kasday (215) 204-2247 (voice) (800) 750-7428 (TTY)
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