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RE: Discussion list guidelines

From: Neal Ewers <ewers@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:23:12 -0600
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Regarding having the screen reader dictionary let you know when there is a
greater than sign at the beginning of a paragraph while ignoring other
greater than signs;  It is far from being that easy.  I use 5 different
screen readers here at Trace.  Some of them don't come even close to
allowing this to happen.  I believe we will need to come up with another

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>David Wrote:
>	> if you want to do something such as Only speaking the >
>greather than at
>	> the beginning of a paragraph, that can be easily done in the
>dictionary of
>	> most screen readers.
>	LRK:: Can you also set the screen reader to alert you when a
>paragraph begins that does not have a greater than sign?  If so, we
>could have the following alternative to writing initials followed by
>double colon:
>	1. quote old text with greater than before each line
>	2. Be sure you put a blank line before and after each new
>comment you make. Note that this also helps sighted readers.
>	(Actually, you don't have to put a greater than before each
>line; it's sufficient to put it just at the start of the paragraph; but
>that might confuse sighted readers.)
>	If people with screen readers then set them to flag paragraphs
>that do or do not start with greater than's, they will know which is old
>and which is new.
>	This still doesn't allow person with screen reader to skip to
>comments.  However, if we can overcome this problem with the further
>requirement to
>	3. Only retain and quote what is needed to understand the
>comment you are making, assuming the reader already read the original
>mail.  Attach original mail with no further comments at end if you wish,
>but identifying it as such..
>	These guidelines help both sighted and blind discussants. The
>one problem is that if you leave out a blank line, your comment is lost
>to screen readers.  But it will be lost to some sighted readers as well
>anyway because sighted folks scanning the page can easily miss it.
>	Len

Neal Ewers
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