RE: Pre-CFC - Updating "programmatically determined link context"

IMO, the existing text infers this is not an exhaustive list.
Regardless, the PR is not actually altering the existing phrasing, so the suggestion to alter it represents mild but real scope creep. I think it is good tactical sense to keep the pre-CFC focused on the issue being addressed.

Thanks,
Mike

From: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 2:48 AM
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Pre-CFC - Updating "programmatically determined link context"
Hey Alastair, If the intent is for this not to be an exhaustive list, then some words to indicate that would be very helpful I think. Thank you! On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 7: 11 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@ nomensa. com> wrote: Hi Wilco,
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Hey Alastair,
If the intent is for this not to be an exhaustive list, then some words to indicate that would be very helpful I think. Thank you!

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 7:11 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>> wrote:
Hi Wilco,

> to me this reads as an attempt to write an exhaustive list of ways that context can be provided

I don’t think that is affected by the proposed change in either direction.

If we did extend the change, the phrasing is a bit awkward but I’d suggest something like:

In HTML, information that is programmatically determinable from a link in English includes [ins](but is not limited to)[/ins] text that is in the same paragraph, list item, or table cell as the link or in a table header cell that is associated with the table cell that contains the link.

However, others might push back on that?

Cheers,

-Alastair


From: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
Date: Tuesday, 17 October 2023 at 16:31
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>
Cc: Scott O'Hara <scott.ohara@microsoft.com<mailto:scott.ohara@microsoft.com>>, WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Pre-CFC - Updating "programmatically determined link context"
Hey Alastair,
Even though this is an example, to me this reads as an attempt to write an exhaustive list of ways that context can be provided in HTML (in English). If there was some kind of "such as", or "etc." in there it would help clarify that there might be other options.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:18 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>> wrote:
> Is your question more to the fact that the example text is not exhaustive in identifying all the ways a link may programmatically receive context?

The whole thing is an example, not very clear from the code, but it is presented like this:
https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#dfn-programmatically-determined-link-context<https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#dfn-programmatically-determined-link-context>

Cheers,

-Alastair


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