Re: Focus appearance updates

+1

Kind Regards,
Laura

On 3/28/23, David MacDonald <david@can-adapt.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 6:24 PM Bradley Montgomery, Rachael L <
> rmontgomery@loc.gov> wrote:
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>> Peter,
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>> That is the proposal being discussed, yes.
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>> Rachael
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>> *From: *"Bossley, Peter (TR Product)" <Peter.Bossley@thomsonreuters.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:19 PM
>> *To: *"Bradley Montgomery, Rachael L" <rmontgomery@loc.gov>
>> *Cc: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *RE: Focus appearance updates
>>
>>
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>> Confirming that we are still moving this to AAA? If so, +1.
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>> (Just wanted to confirm I was reading the minutes correctly.)
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>> *From:* Bradley Montgomery, Rachael L <rmontgomery@loc.gov>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:29 PM
>> *To:* Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>; w3c-waI-gl@w3. org <
>> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: Focus appearance updates
>>
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>> +1 to moving forward with the following at AAA:
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>> When the keyboard focus indicator
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-focus-indicator__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDb49gGtA$>
>> is
>> visible, an area of the focus indicator meets all the following:
>>
>> o    is at least as large as the area of a 2 CSS pixel
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-css-pixels__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDAtZW_rA$>
>>  thick perimeter
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-perimeter__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDx1Boe9Y$>
>> of
>> the unfocused component or sub-component, and
>>
>> o    has a contrast ratio of at least 3:1 between the same pixels in the
>> focused and unfocused states.
>>
>>
>>
>> And to marking it “At Risk” with the fallback option being:
>>
>>
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>> When the keyboard focus indicator
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-focus-indicator__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDb49gGtA$>
>> is
>> visible, an area of the focus indicator meets all the following:
>>
>>    - is at least as large as the area of a 1 CSS pixel
>>
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-css-pixels__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDAtZW_rA$>
>>        thick perimeter
>>
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-perimeter__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDx1Boe9Y$>
>> of
>>       the unfocused component or sub-component, or is at least as large as
>> a 4
>>       CSS pixel thick line along the shortest side of the minimum
>>       bounding box
>>
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-minimum-bounding-box__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDLUNcGzQ$>
>> of
>>       the unfocused component or sub-component, and
>>       - has a contrast ratio of at least 3:1 between the same pixels in
>>       the focused and unfocused states, and
>>       - has a contrast ratio of at least 3:1 against adjacent
>>       non-focus-indicator colors, or is no thinner than 2 CSS pixels.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From: *Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 2:18 PM
>> *To: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: Focus appearance updates
>> *Resent-From: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Resent-Date: *Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 2:16 PM
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>> Hi everyone,
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>> We didn’t have quite enough time for the focus-appearance discussion
>> today, but I think it helped to clarify the options.
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>> I think we could proceed with the SC ‘at risk’, with a preferred option,
>> and a fall-back option.
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>> Everyone seemed happy with removing the first part of the SC text, so our
>> fallback option now is:
>>
>>
>>
>> When the keyboard focus indicator
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-focus-indicator__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDb49gGtA$>
>> is visible, an area of the focus indicator meets all the following:
>>
>>    - is at least as large as the area of a 1 CSS pixel
>>
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-css-pixels__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDAtZW_rA$>
>>       thick perimeter
>>
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-perimeter__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDx1Boe9Y$>
>>       of the unfocused component or sub-component, or is at least as large
>> as a 4
>>       CSS pixel thick line along the shortest side of the minimum
>>       bounding box
>>
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-minimum-bounding-box__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDLUNcGzQ$>
>>       of the unfocused component or sub-component, and
>>       - has a contrast ratio of at least 3:1 between the same pixels in
>>       the focused and unfocused states, and
>>       - has a contrast ratio of at least 3:1 against adjacent
>>       non-focus-indicator colors, or is no thinner than 2 CSS pixels.
>>
>>
>>
>> (Plus exceptions.)
>>
>>
>>
>> From the discussion of the other potential options, I’ve updated the
>> document:
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>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RGQBMvDAhEylflppCAKrF6IW8zjHjqH6DNqXKKzpHyI/edit#
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1RGQBMvDAhEylflppCAKrF6IW8zjHjqH6DNqXKKzpHyI/edit__;!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDHrCyZeo$>
>>
>>
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>> If we increase the size requirement, it only makes sense if we also
>> remove
>> the “4 times shortest side” metric. (We could logically increase that to
>> 8
>> times, but I don’t that would be feasible/helpful for the cases we were
>> looking at).
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, with the increased size requirement I think we can drop the last
>> (adjacent contrast) bullet entirely. See the lower part of the doc.
>>
>>
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>> So the simplest option (readability wise) is:
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>>
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>> When the keyboard focus indicator
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-focus-indicator__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDb49gGtA$>
>> is visible, an area of the focus indicator meets all the following:
>>
>> o    is at least as large as the area of a 2 CSS pixel
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-css-pixels__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDAtZW_rA$>
>> thick perimeter
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/*dfn-perimeter__;Iw!!GFN0sa3rsbfR8OLyAw!dHXX5oYfc4UaU_mLfvOsT7lFm-fWZuJmwQcye7_P420DFubbxMomoOlrAz5Zewgk6MuFCqUthE45Ss29cSiexljDx1Boe9Y$>
>> of the unfocused component or sub-component, and
>>
>> o    has a contrast ratio of at least 3:1 between the same pixels in the
>> focused and unfocused states.
>>
>>
>>
>> (Plus exceptions.)
>>
>>
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>> So, proceeding at risk, can anyone not live with the short option? The
>> fallback being very close to the current SC wording.
>>
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>> Kind regards,
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>> -Alastair
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