Re: Move WCAG 2.2 to Candidate Recommendation

Hey Alastair,
I have asked if you wanted other suggestions, but I never got a response.
Is the answer to that "yes"? Because if so I'll spend some time on that.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:10 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
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> Hi Wilco,
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> Sorry, I missed that email last week.
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> My understanding of the process is that we must make the decision about
> pulling an “at risk” SC before going into PR.
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> Having the research will help with that decision, but it isn’t a binary
> thing. We’ll have to look at what comes out and use that to inform the
> decision about whether to pull the SC before the PR transition.
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> I’ll also note that I’ve had 3 filled in responses, but no new examples
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> Kind regards,
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> -Alastair
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> Place to suggest examples: https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2901
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> *From: *Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
> *Date: *Friday, 13 January 2023 at 13:42
> *To: *Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> *Cc: *WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: CFC - Move WCAG 2.2 to Candidate Recommendation
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> Thanks Alastair,
> This is not how I understood the decision from December. To make sure I
> understand it; are you saying we're not LEAVING candidate rec until the
> research is finished? Is that guaranteed then?
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> Here's the thing about that. What happens if the research shows (as people
> have predicted) that the SC cannot be tested reliably? We can't introduce
> an SC that doesn't meet WCAG's requirements. We might not be able to drop
> the SC, going by how many people objected to that when it was last
> proposed. And to change the SC would require doing a third CR, which I'm
> not sure anyone wants either.
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> Before deciding if we should go to CR, I would really like to know what
> the AG chairs plan to do if Focus Appearance proves unreliable.
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> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 1:13 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi Wilco,
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> We have triaged all the comments and dealt with those that impact the
> normative wording. Those that are tagged with 'understanding', 'technique',
> 'editorial' or 'response-only' we will carry on dealing with as part of the
> backlog meetings.
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> The repeatability testing of focus-appearance was generated from one of
> the CR comments, and we will carry on with that during the (second) CR
> period.
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> Kind regards,
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> -Alastair
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> *From: *Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
> *Date: *Friday, 13 January 2023 at 09:33
> *To: *Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> *Cc: *WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: CFC - Move WCAG 2.2 to Candidate Recommendation
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> Hey Alastair,
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> I would like a clarification. In the last call of December AGWG decided
> that it was going to perform a repeatability test of SC 2.4.11 Focus
> Appearance. You opened an issue on it last week:
> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2901
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> It seems to me like we're not actually done processing our CR1 comments
> until we've done that work. Why are we putting a second CR out if we're not
> done processing comments on the first?
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> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 2:14 AM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
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> Call for Consensus – ends Wednesday January 18th at 5pm Boston time.
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> The Working Group has approved CFCs for updated normative content in WCAG
> 2.2 and it is ready to re-start the Candidate Recommendation stage.
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> Recent changes came from these CFCs:
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> Removing 4.1.1:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2023JanMar/0010.html
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> Target size:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2023JanMar/0047.html
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> And other miscellaneous changes:
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> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2022OctDec/0131.html
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> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2023JanMar/0014.html
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> You can see a diff of the current draft compared to the previous CR
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> Note that some changes are simply because the editors draft does not
> include CR content. Primarily that is in the introduction, but it is also
> missing the “at risk” markers. Those will still be included in the CR
> version.
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> If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not
> been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not
> being able to tolerate” this decision, please let the group know before the
> CfC deadline.
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> Kind regards,
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> -Alastair
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> *Wilco Fiers*
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> Axe-core & Axe-linter product owner - WCAG 3 Project Manager - Facilitator
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> *Wilco Fiers*
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> Axe-core & Axe-linter product owner - WCAG 3 Project Manager - Facilitator
> ACT Task Force
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*Wilco Fiers*
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ACT Task Force