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RE: SURVEY: WCAG 2.2 editorial updates

From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 14:49:42 +0000
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On #1 - if we remove the equivalent - that seems like it would make it inconsistent with SC 2.5.5 (target size (enhanced) - since 2.5.5 has it I think we should keep it for consistency.

On #4 - it really depends on how the thumb works - does it work as a gesture or work as a dragging mechanism

On #5 - page variations may or may not change the relative order - so it's not a given either way.  I think what we really mean to say is that you don't need to compare page variations against  other page variations - but instead compare a page's variation to other pages in that same variation state.


From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
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Hi everyone,

As we didn't get meeting time on this survey<https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-misc2/results#xq6> I thought we could do some asynchronous updates. NB: Accessible Authentication will be in a separate email.

Question 6 & 7 were very editorial and everyone (13 people) agreed, I'll go ahead and merge those. (Full stop removed, thank you Mary Jo and Andrew!)

1. Target size - Problems with the Equivalent exception #2569

Two people didn't think the general "alternatives" applied, but having checked with two former chairs I'm confident it does. It is a tad hidden: In the understanding conformance doc<https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/conformance#cc2> it says:
"Alternatives can also be provided on the same page. For example creating an equivalent to a user interface control."

Jonathan was aware of that but would still like to have it explicit in this SC.

Chair hat off: If we make that explicit in this SC then it implies other SCs can't use alternatives. I'd rather be consistent.

Chair hat on: Given that the exception is not required (according to our conformance model) would anyone object to removing it?

4. Improvement for Dragging Movement definition note #2595

This had agreement except for a question: Is it ok to include the thumbs of sliders in this list of examples?

Sliders are used a lot in the Pointer Gestures understanding document<https://w3c.github.io/wcag/understanding/pointer-gestures.html> and we've already had trouble differentiating gestures and dragging, so I think it is a good point.

Given that any "little piece of UI" is probably represented by text or an image, I propose that we just remove the last part so it is:
"Examples of draggable elements include list items, text elements, and images."

Any objections?

5. Clarification for Consistent Help, 2nd Note #2596

There were several suggested updates, taking into account the context (the rest of the note<https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/#h-note-31>), I though this combination worked best:

"For this Success Criterion, the same relative order can be thought of as how the content is ordered when the page is serialized. The visual position of a help mechanism is likely to be consistent across pages for the same page variation (e.g., CSS break-point). [CHANGE:] The user can cause a change, such as changing the page's zoom or orientation, which may trigger a different page variation. A visual change between page variations does mean a change of relative order."

Any objections to that?

Kind regards,


From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>
Date: Monday, 15 August 2022 at 10:41
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Subject: SURVEY: WCAG 2.2 editorial updates
Hi everyone,

There are a few recent editorial updates identified in github issues.

I've created a survey for this:

If we get sufficient response (of agreement) on the survey this week, I don't think they need meeting time. If people disagree we can raise them at a meeting.

Kind regards,



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