RE: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Focus Not Obscured (Minimum + Enhanced)

Agree to Mike.
I suggest to ensure that both techniques are described in the understanding.


From: Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
Sent: Samstag, 16. Juli 2022 16:50
To: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>; Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Cc: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: RE: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Focus Not Obscured (Minimum + Enhanced)

No, that’s the whole point of the requirement 😊 And those sticky footers that cropped up after Europe’s GDPR came into effect are some of the worst offenders. They are a nightmare to deal with as a keyboard user.

There are two easy ways those can be implemented that meet not obscured:

  *   Use scroll-padding to keep focus from being hidden behind it
  *   Make it a modal so it takes focus right away and folks have to dismiss it

There are other techniques, but those are two of the quickest ways of resolving so that keyboard users can use a site.

Mike
From: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
Date: Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 4:23 AM
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>
Cc: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Focus Not Obscured (Minimum + Enhanced)
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On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 4:18 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>> wrote:
Call For Consensus — ends Monday July 18th at midday Boston time.

The Working Group has previously discussed the WCAG 2.2 SCs Focus Not Obscured (Minimum), Focus Not Obscured (Enhanced) and the Normative text needs to be approved by CFC.

It can be previewed in the editor’s draft:
https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/#focus-not-obscured-minimum<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwcag%2Fguidelines%2F22%2F%23focus-not-obscured-minimum&data=05%7C01%7Cgundula.niemann%40sap.com%7C7e3d8bc6e39a480af6c108da673abb25%7C42f7676cf455423c82f6dc2d99791af7%7C0%7C0%7C637935799192542064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bd7IuwnOhqfa4ugPlgKCNCQh%2FPfIMc67K6ynnRBx0Vo%3D&reserved=0>
https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/#focus-not-obscured-enhanced<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwcag%2Fguidelines%2F22%2F%23focus-not-obscured-enhanced&data=05%7C01%7Cgundula.niemann%40sap.com%7C7e3d8bc6e39a480af6c108da673abb25%7C42f7676cf455423c82f6dc2d99791af7%7C0%7C0%7C637935799192542064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R5XzgUtAkjstl0XBlQClnmndbe%2Fa1A2zxxsMXVCZSBE%3D&reserved=0>

The SC has been discussed previously, Most recently:
https://www.w3.org/2022/05/24-ag-minutes#item07<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F05%2F24-ag-minutes%23item07&data=05%7C01%7Cgundula.niemann%40sap.com%7C7e3d8bc6e39a480af6c108da673abb25%7C42f7676cf455423c82f6dc2d99791af7%7C0%7C0%7C637935799192542064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=UKSoFNX7iMpAuZ%2B8eePmmnuEWKZ1EbvJvn7RWuhNhOg%3D&reserved=0>

The change history is here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/commits/main/guidelines/sc/22/focus-not-obscured.html<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fcommits%2Fmain%2Fguidelines%2Fsc%2F22%2Ffocus-not-obscured.html&data=05%7C01%7Cgundula.niemann%40sap.com%7C7e3d8bc6e39a480af6c108da673abb25%7C42f7676cf455423c82f6dc2d99791af7%7C0%7C0%7C637935799192542064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HV10bGjrwJ7NdyGzWSM%2Be8El1BmMeVbVr4RLWCRB1rA%3D&reserved=0>
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/commits/main/guidelines/sc/22/focus-not-obscured-enhanced.html<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fcommits%2Fmain%2Fguidelines%2Fsc%2F22%2Ffocus-not-obscured-enhanced.html&data=05%7C01%7Cgundula.niemann%40sap.com%7C7e3d8bc6e39a480af6c108da673abb25%7C42f7676cf455423c82f6dc2d99791af7%7C0%7C0%7C637935799192542064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=M7oY3BSSEL3xJLVIrdb1qNT7D4CooEI32EBps3EWL0M%3D&reserved=0>

The survey questions are available here:
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The github issues are listed here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+focus+obscured<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fissues%3Fq%3Dis%253Aissue%2Bis%253Aopen%2Bfocus%2Bobscured&data=05%7C01%7Cgundula.niemann%40sap.com%7C7e3d8bc6e39a480af6c108da673abb25%7C42f7676cf455423c82f6dc2d99791af7%7C0%7C0%7C637935799192542064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0%2BZ28loR%2F0qXA0J5RhiApw9NmHuCcT2sZxAqY5szZWY%3D&reserved=0>
(There are several open related to an understanding content updates.)

If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

Kind regards,

-Alastair
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