RE: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Page break navigation normative text

+1

Thx,

ND


From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: CFC - WCAG 2.2 Page break navigation normative text

+1 to the SC. While the SC doesn't require that print page numbers be marked up as locators (which in my opinion is more important) the SC is tightly scoped in a way to provide benefit but not impact other content - but make some progress (although not complete) toward addressing a gap.

Jonathan

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+1 to this CfC

I respectfully disagree with Wilco here, there are a number of SC that are not applicable to all types of content (the entire suite of Media SC's comes to mind), and not adding this does the ePub folks a real disservice.

I agree that WCAG needs to be "agnostic" which to me also means that there has to be room for requirements that don't directly impact all "web pages" but still apply to digital content in the broader context.

And as Jennifer Strickland notes, a Table of Contents + Pagination (when appropriate) would/could be a new technique for SC 2.4.5 Multiple Ways. The SC does not MANDATE page-breaks, only states that IF you use them, THEN the navigation mechanism must be provided.

JF


On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 5:02 PM Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org<mailto:jstrickland@mitre.org>> wrote:
-1
I agree with Wilco as well, the point that this is a poor fit for WCAG 2.2 makes sense to me. I agree that this success criterion applies heavily to EPUB without sufficiently addressing the broader potential applications of page break locators.
I do think that a Table of Contents could be a mechanism for navigating to each locator and would pass the SC.

From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 11:41 AM
To: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: [EXT] CFC - WCAG 2.2 Page break navigation normative text
Call For Consensus - ends Monday June 27th at midday Boston time.

The Working Group has previously discussed the WCAG 2.2 SC Page break navigation and the Normative text needs to be approved by CFC.

It can be previewed in the editor's draft:
https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/#page-break-navigation<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwcag%2Fguidelines%2F22%2F%23page-break-navigation&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C6cdb40a8b78848ae1b4a08da56468232%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637917158093010622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ppXpXvdNvtvlssMQefBUVXcqaWZR1kGVuywSJhvmN1c%3D&reserved=0>

The SC was last discussed in a meeting May 17th:
https://www.w3.org/2022/05/17-ag-minutes#item05<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F05%2F17-ag-minutes%23item05&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C6cdb40a8b78848ae1b4a08da56468232%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637917158093010622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=q9w4bZY1yBRpN3BZGfrHJdLXLhCsINcuROUvTSuV86o%3D&reserved=0>

The change history is here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/commits/main/guidelines/sc/22/page-break-navigation.html<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fcommits%2Fmain%2Fguidelines%2Fsc%2F22%2Fpage-break-navigation.html&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C6cdb40a8b78848ae1b4a08da56468232%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637917158093010622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Fm%2BIOGOqfDrk7ErqcQzPoA4X3QLRh6%2FM4zajEvdIi1Y%3D&reserved=0>
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/commits/e2e4cda3667e37a8a12ceaf0dd81f7c5595195e8/guidelines/sc/22/fixed-reference-points.html?browsing_rename_history=true&new_path=guidelines/sc/22/page-break-navigation.html&original_branch=main<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fcommits%2Fe2e4cda3667e37a8a12ceaf0dd81f7c5595195e8%2Fguidelines%2Fsc%2F22%2Ffixed-reference-points.html%3Fbrowsing_rename_history%3Dtrue%26new_path%3Dguidelines%2Fsc%2F22%2Fpage-break-navigation.html%26original_branch%3Dmain&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C6cdb40a8b78848ae1b4a08da56468232%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637917158093010622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5PtkGTYkh86fY%2BkkPDMSGuV4SvJaLb8ug058D6Tde58%3D&reserved=0>

The survey is available here:
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-page-break-nav/<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F35422%2Fwcag22-page-break-nav%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C6cdb40a8b78848ae1b4a08da56468232%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637917158093010622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hAX3sXv9rcYvQN3WLlmNGRQMyMwDDkdkGiYAHlcqtpo%3D&reserved=0>

The github issues are listed here:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%222.4.13+Page+break+locators%22<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fissues%3Fq%3Dis%253Aissue%2Bis%253Aopen%2Blabel%253A%25222.4.13%2BPage%2Bbreak%2Blocators%2522&data=05%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C6cdb40a8b78848ae1b4a08da56468232%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637917158093010622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xEoJtfYSEhnqrnahoDRIUf9Jgam8F3tHzRLA%2Buw9WpQ%3D&reserved=0>+
(There is 1 open, related to an understanding content update.)

If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you "not being able to live with" this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

Kind regards,
-Alastair
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