RE: Visible controls SC

+1

I reread and also checked with communication specialists. We are good as is.

Thx,

ND

From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:16 PM
To: Nicaise Dogbo (CELA) <nidogbo@microsoft.com>
Cc: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Visible controls SC

Hi Nicaise,

I've read the SC text a few times with that comma in mind, and I think it looks a bit odd to have a comma there, and then another one two words later.

I'm fairly sure it does not change the meaning, therefore it is an editorial change we can make without disrupting the CF, if others agree it improves the readability.

Kind regards,

-Alastair


From: Nicaise Dogbo (CELA)

-1
I think a 'comma' may be needed after "... components are available..." see proposed below between asterisks-

"Where receiving pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers user interface components to be visible, information needed to identify that user interface components are available*,* is visible, except when:..."

if majority feels otherwise, I will go along but it was not easy for me to understand the "...components are available is visible..." without a comma.

Thx,

ND


From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 5:23 AM
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Cc: public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org<mailto:public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] CFC - Visible controls SC
Importance: High


Call For Consensus - ends 29th March at 9am Boston time.



The Working Group has discussed the WCAG 2.2 success criteria "Visible controls", the latest version can be seen here:

https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/#visible-controls<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwcag%2Fguidelines%2F22%2F%23visible-controls&data=04%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C96d29cdfdec943f0e63c08d8efdb8ed4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637523073570981342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ksTayJ3CZsopLaUsQckJZQVJam2%2FIIZNtTmlJaCGMUk%3D&reserved=0>



Survey of issues and responses:

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/hidden-controls-12-2020/results<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F35422%2Fhidden-controls-12-2020%2Fresults&data=04%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C96d29cdfdec943f0e63c08d8efdb8ed4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637523073570991333%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2NqOqc67nZ5Na%2FNOY4KI3MqoM%2FIhRPMN851R%2B7AMDE4%3D&reserved=0>



Previous minutes include:

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https://www.w3.org/2021/01/26-ag-minutes.html#t11<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2021%2F01%2F26-ag-minutes.html%23t11&data=04%7C01%7Cnidogbo%40microsoft.com%7C96d29cdfdec943f0e63c08d8efdb8ed4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637523073571011325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=9p16ZraW8f%2FZs9C%2FVeFWpK6jIJ7R%2BEBjFRjYVE0kixI%3D&reserved=0>



If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you "not being able to live with" this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

Kind regards,

-Alastair

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