- From: Rachael Montgomery <rachael@accessiblecommunity.org>
- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 09:39:34 -0400
- To: jake abma <jake.abma@gmail.com>, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
- Cc: Silver TF <public-silver@w3.org>, WCAG list <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <d8277a49-f779-4f1f-bf7d-2ed79c5ee8a0@Spark>
Jeanne and I are on vacation today but we’ll compare these suggestions with the documents we have tomorrow to see how they fit and write more back then. On Sep 7, 2020, 9:01 AM -0400, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, wrote: > Sticking my head up from the move for a minute... > > I agree with Jake: Functional Outcomes are "compound" goals, consisting of multiple unit tests. > > So, for (rudimentary) example: > > • Does the content convey a sense of hierarchy? (T/F) > • Can users navigate content programmatically? (T/F) > • Can users locate key information blocks? (T/F) > > I keep hearing in my head, over and over, "testable, measurable, repeatable". > > JF > > > (Sent from my mobile, apologies for any spelling mistakes) > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 2:47 AM jake abma <jake.abma@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Just another issue we must have correct or discuss at least before publication I think. > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > As Guidelines are not normative but (Functional) Outcomes are, they must cover all benefits for all Functional Groups and Functional Needs we try to tackle. > > > > > > This means the "so... bla bla" statement should be broad enough to cover all benefits OR a bulleted list might be needed with the benefits (and are the benefits normative then?). > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > On the other hand, if we use bulleted lists for Benefits, then all methods and the scoring / tests MUST cover all benefits also otherwise they are not compatible (Charles Hall commented on this in the functional needs subgroup). > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > If this is not a "Catch All" for (Functional) Outcomes, we might need to split / duplicate Outcomes covering different Benefits (?!) > > > > > > -------------------- > > > EXAMPLE 1 > > > -------------------- > > > > > > "Provides semantic structure So can convey a sense of hierarchy" > > > > > > In this case the benefits of navigating or locating are not mentioned, also the Functional Needs are not covered as it's not in the normative text. > > > > > > Three options for this example: > > > > > > 1. (long sentence, covering all benefits) > > > > > > "Provides semantic structure So can convey a sense of hierarchy AND/OR users can navigate AND/OR users can locate" > > > > > > 2. (use of bulleted list) > > > > > > "Provides semantic structure > > > > > > • So can convey a sense of hierarchy > > > • So users can navigate > > > • So users can locate" > > > > > > 3. (split in 3 Functional Outcomes) > > > > > > > > > "Provides semantic structure so can convey a sense of hierarchy" > > > "Provides semantic structure so users can navigate" > > > "Provides semantic structure so users can locate" > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > This is just an example of the challenge with the Functional Outcome texts being normative, more examples are not difficult to think of. > > > > > > Another option would be to separate the Benefits from the functional outcome and mention them as something like: " Benefits might be but not limited to: bla, bla and bla" > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > At the moment I think the Functional Outcomes as we have now are to open to interpretation and probably will not make it as normative text to be tested and scored. > > > > > > Of course happy to illustrate of dsicus. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Jake > > > > > > > > > > > >
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