RE: [RE: Agenda for Silver meeting of 23 July 2019]

I think it would be desirable for a document fulfilling the function of WCAG2ICT no longer to be necessary for Silver. If this isn’t feasible, then it seems to me that the application of Silver in the same policy contexts as WCAG would necessitate writing an equivalent to WCAG2ICT.

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:36 PM
To: Abma, J.D. (Jake) <Jake.Abma@ing.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: [RE: Agenda for Silver meeting of 23 July 2019]

Jake,
I’m emailing with Jeanne and Shawn and will follow back up with you and the WG, but don’t have the answer yet as I’ve been traveling.

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Head of Accessibility
Adobe

akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
http://twitter.com/awkawk


From: "Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.com<mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>
Subject: Re: [RE: Agenda for Silver meeting of 23 July 2019]


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Hi Andrew / all,



The proof is always in the pudding, Silver people are focussing on everything out there, Web and more... see: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HcCzoKvICUHCR5dM_fV4AHnkar-WJli4hxUUE0nzwlQ/edit<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1HcCzoKvICUHCR5dM_fV4AHnkar-WJli4hxUUE0nzwlQ%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C29044899eac947ff6b6908d726775d32%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C637020166422903995&sdata=%2FPHfEzX1cqCBeUWYqV9c17ewn7UFHjI2esHMcnVa8q8%3D&reserved=0>



About Silver’s Structure

  *
  *   Silver's
  *   guidelines are technology neutral. Assume that what you write will apply to web
  *   and
  *   other formats. Ask yourself, “Does this guidance make sense for a mobile app, a virtual reality app, a home assistant, and other technologies?”
  *
  *
  *   Silver's
  *   methods are specific to a technology, like web HTML, web SVG,
  *   Android apps, etc. You may use terms—without defining them—that are common for a platform.
  *
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So this is in contrary to what you said yesterday about being "Web focussed"

We'll wait for the results of your conversations.

Regards,
Jake







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From: Abma, J.D. (Jake)
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:32 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Fw: [RE: Agenda for Silver meeting of 23 July 2019]


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FYI



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From: Shawn Lauriat <lauriat@google.com<mailto:lauriat@google.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:54 PM
To: Abma, J.D. (Jake)
Cc: Jeanne Spellman; Jeanne Spellman; Silver TF
Subject: Re: [RE: Agenda for Silver meeting of 23 July 2019]

Jake,

Good question! From the Silver Requirements<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fsilver%2Frequirements%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C29044899eac947ff6b6908d726775d32%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C637020166422903995&sdata=UiHKq7DLJoem0vuJYVHTvtlqQKTwpMGai4tsotqyQ8c%3D&reserved=0>, I think we have this described as clearly as we currently can in these particular sections:

  *   Design principle<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fsilver%2Frequirements%2F%23design-principles&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C29044899eac947ff6b6908d726775d32%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C637020166422913995&sdata=ubUA4xdKBumGA58aSh35Erl16rLQG7cBVhX30nhb69k%3D&reserved=0> 3: Be flexible enough to support the needs of people with disabilities and keep up with emerging technologies. The information structure allows guidance to be added or removed.
  *   Requirement 4: Technology Neutral<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fsilver%2Frequirements%2F%23technology-neutral&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C29044899eac947ff6b6908d726775d32%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C637020166422913995&sdata=nUc%2FWWMMWdQGXmxML0K1BMFKFf2MSSWGugPlY%2B3d%2FgY%3D&reserved=0>
Guidance should be expressed in generic terms so that they may apply to more than one platform or technology. The intent of technology-neutral wording is to provide the opportunity to apply the core guidelines to current and emerging technology, even if specific technical advice doesn't yet exist.
  *   Requirement 8: Scope<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fsilver%2Frequirements%2F%23scope-0&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C29044899eac947ff6b6908d726775d32%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C637020166422923983&sdata=bH1M5U6PhRMrX%2BSlpMr9F1XrqbGKtWEYEOAGF5FRrcQ%3D&reserved=0>
The guidelines provide guidance for people and organizations that produce digital assets and technology of varying size and complexity. Our intent is to provide guidance for a diverse group of stakeholders including content creators, browsers, authoring tools, assistive technologies, and more.
Hope that helps!

-Shawn

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 9:10 AM Abma, J.D. (Jake) <Jake.Abma@ing.com<mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.com>> wrote:



Hi all,



I have a general question about the scope of Silver which is not clear, also see different views / understanding on this:



"Is Silver only for Web content or will it take on all technologies / content out there in the wild, and if the scope is broader, is this even possible from within the W3C?"



Cheers,

Jake





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From: Abma, J.D. (Jake)
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:57 PM
To: Jeanne Spellman; Jeanne Spellman; 'Shawn Lauriat'; Silver TF
Subject: Re: [RE: Agenda for Silver meeting of 23 July 2019]




A late thank you Jeanne! (with a vacation in between...)



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From: Jeanne Spellman <js@tetralogical.com<mailto:js@tetralogical.com>>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 7:52 PM
To: Jeanne Spellman; Abma, J.D. (Jake); 'Shawn Lauriat'; Silver TF
Subject: [RE: Agenda for Silver meeting of 23 July 2019]


Jake,

I appreciate that you and many others need a summary of the different conformance proposals.  We are trying to get a summary of all the proposals organized now.  All the basic proposals are linked on the SIlver wiki in the Conformance section<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Ftask-forces%2Fsilver%2Fwiki%2FMain_Page%23Silver_Conformance&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C29044899eac947ff6b6908d726775d32%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C637020166422923983&sdata=Xu78hBs%2BMsVGFqibl17YtR4q2yNrijruR1btF1G1NMo%3D&reserved=0>.

We have asked everyone to write up the pros, cons, risks, and holes (missing elements) for each proposal so we can consolidate them into coherent documents that anyone can read.  I want those documents to capture the essential points of all the email threads.  Many members of the group -- including active participants like myself -- cannot read and follow the long email threads and need to have the essential issues and arguments summarized in an organized fashion.

I will send out a general email to the list when those documents are posted.

jeanne


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