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Re: Crowd Source Request: Examples of pre in pages you use.

From: Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 07:35:54 -0800
Message-ID: <CAJeQ8SCvSVW_sbDZ=7Li+t-TqjttF5xHDimccH4fX=dd5f2iBA@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>
Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Jon,
I did think of e e cummings. Or should I say:
e      e
               cummings.

Wayne

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:33 AM Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 31/01/2019 01:25, Jonathan Avila wrote:
> > While I am not an expert on this either – I believe for a 3 line Haiku
> > it is the line breaks that matter and thus br would be sufficient.
> > However, there clearly are other poems such as Buffalo Bill’s by E E
> > Cummings where the spacing matter to the artistic prose.
> >
> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47244/buffalo-bill-s
>
> Now this is one of those examples that I had in mind when talking about
> "futurist poetry" - where the overall typographic layout (beyond just
> line breaks, but including spacing and overall visual layout and
> arrangement of letters) carries meaning (in some cases resulting in
> something close to word/ASCII art)
>
> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/learn/glossary-terms/futurism
>
> P
>
> > I was hoping that we might be able to gain some insight from the BANA
> > braille rules but they aren’t as useful as I’d hope.
> >
> >
> http://www.brailleauthority.org/formats/2016manual-web/section13.html#_Toc462495173
> >
> >
> http://www.brailleauthority.org/formats/2016manual-web/section13.html#_Sample_4:_Poem
> >
> > There are also single line and single word Haikus….
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > *From:* John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:55 PM
> > *To:* Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
> > *Cc:* WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: Crowd Source Request: Examples of pre in pages you use.
> >
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> >
> > Hi Patrick,
> >
> > I'm not a Poly Lit Major, but I believe the formatting of both of those
> > examples is in fact important; certainly the Haiku, which is
> > specifically defined as 3 lines with the 5,7,5 syllable construct.
> > Wrapping (for example) the middle line would certainly break that
> > construct, and it would no longer be a Haiku...
> >
> > I also quoted the specific pattern of the Robert Service poem, where the
> > 4-line pattern is also an important literary construct; I can't comment
> > on *how* important, but I do know there is some importance attached. Any
> > academics out there who could weigh in?
> >
> > JF
> >
> > (Sent from my mobile, apologies for any spelling mistakes)
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 6:07 PM Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk
> > <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >     On 30/01/2019 23:42, John Foliot wrote:
> >      > Two examples when formatted text is important (if not critical):
> >      >
> >      > Haiku: (a traditional form of Japanese poetry. Haiku poems
> >     consist of 3
> >      > lines. The first and last lines of a Haiku have 5 syllables and
> the
> >      > middle line has 7 syllables. The lines rarely rhyme.)
> >      >
> >      >     The summer river:
> >      >     although there is a bridge, my horse
> >      >     goes through the water.
> >      >
> >      > Example of a Robert Service
> >      > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Service> poem
> >      > <https://mypoeticside.com/show-classic-poem-26688>: (This poem
> >     follows a
> >      > regular pattern of four-line stanzas composed of two rhyming
> >     couplets.)
> >      >
> >      >     On a Christmas Day we were mushing our way over the Dawson
> trail.
> >      >     Talk of your cold! through the parka's fold it stabbed like a
> >     driven
> >      >     nail.
> >      >     If our eyes we'd close, then the lashes froze till sometimes
> we
> >      >     couldn't see;
> >      >     It wasn't much fun, but the only one to whimper was Sam McGee.
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > In these examples, the formatting of the text also conveys the
> >      > Pentameter <https://literarydevices.net/pentameter/>of the
> >     rhymes/poems.
> >      > Conveying this literary device is wholly dependent on the
> >     formatting of
> >      > the text:
> >
> >     Is it the formatting here, or is it just the line breaks that are
> >     important? And is a haiku not semantically better marked up not with
> a
> >     <pre> element, but rather with something like a humble <p> with
> >     appropriate (and meaningful) <br> line breaks?
> >
> >     P
> >     --
> >     Patrick H. Lauke
> >
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> >
>
>
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> Patrick H. Lauke
>
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