RE: Bug: Firefox Accessibility Inspector reports placeholder attribute as eligible for accessible name

> We've identified that placeholder use as the sole form of labelling is strongly discouraged, but I believe we do at least partly agree here that the fact that it is used as a last resort for the accessible name calculation is correct?

If it is a last resort for the accessible name -- then when only it is used the component still has an accessible name and assuming it's a meaningful name it passes WCAG.  I don't agree with that putting in the acc name even as a last resort because it legitamizes it's use as an accessible name and makes it difficult for us to prevent it's use and proliferation.  I'd prefer to see something like -- is not used in the accessible name calculation but browser's may expose it as fallback content.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 3:08 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: Bug: Firefox Accessibility Inspector reports placeholder attribute as eligible for accessible name



On 08/08/2018 19:46, Jonathan Avila wrote:
>> And, in Firefox and Chrome at least (possibly others, no time to test) the placeholder IS exposed by the browser as the input's programmatically determinable / accessible name. So how is it failing?
> 
> If the placeholder is exposed as the name but doesn't provide a name for the field but rather an example value then it would fail some SC because the programmatic name isn't a name but rather something else.  In the same we would fail an input for date who's aria-label was "mm/dd/yyyy".

Yes, but I was responding specifically to the example Glenda provided, 
where the placeholder was used with "First name" as value...

Getting back to the original topic: placeholder is currently one of the 
last resort attributes used to provide an accessible name to a control, 
in the absence of anything more suitable like a <label>, an aria-label, 
aria-labelledby or even a title attribute.

We've identified that placeholder use as the sole form of labelling is 
strongly discouraged, but I believe we do at least partly agree here 
that the fact that it is used as a last resort for the accessible name 
calculation is correct?

P
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